When did put become 'pop' and why does it bug me so much?!

[EinsteinaGogo]

Pop it in the oven
Pop it in the fridge
Pop it into your bag.

Arghhh. So twee. So

When did plain old fashioned 'put' get ousted?

Am I alone in my angst?!

And what other words grate on you?

I have a friend who calls me 'Poppet'.
I'm an adult!!! Makes me feel like I'm 3!!! Can't bear it.

@BaronessBomburst

I don't think it's especially new. My grandma has said pop for as long as I can remember and she's 101.

@Curiousmouse

Pop of colour 🤮

Oh yes... pop of colour! And why is it always orange??

What's weird is seeing things you say, written down.

If you were describing a recipe to a fried over the phone you'd quite possibly say " and then pop it in a roasting and bung in the oven for 30 minutes". But it looks daft written down word for word like that. If you were writing the recipe down you 'd say " Put in medium roasting tin. Bake in oven on 200 for 30min."

With messaging, Facebook and forums like MN there are now many ways to have informal conversations in writing.

I find it a lot with junior staff at work, who write technical documents in a conversational style "The slope had an angle of 35 degrees" rather "The slope gradient was measured at .. " well I can't even write it because I can't format symbols in this window!

I'm hoisted by my own petard in terms of proofreading.

@NotMeNoNo

I'm hoisted by my own petard in terms of proofreading.

I believe the phrase is actually "hoist by my own petard" rather than " hoisted" @NotMeNoNo

@ShrinkingViolet9

Current hate is the grammar failure affecting thousands of people in the UK who think ‘was’ can be used instead of ‘were’.

And "I have went..."
"I seen it..."
Use of "of" where it should be "have".

These aren't recent trends though. They are long-established grammatical variations which are common in certain dialects/educational levels/informal speech.

What is happening is that you are seeing it written down a lot more as people are now able to publish their written words anywhere and everywhere on the internet with no editor to correct it.

@HaveringWavering Hoisted is correct because the 'ed indicates past tense. Rather than hoist, which is present tense.

[quote Migrainesbythedozen]@HaveringWavering Hoisted is correct because the 'ed indicates past tense. Rather than hoist, which is present tense.[/quote]
Ha ha, funnily enough @migrainesbythedozsn as a native English speaker I am familiar with how tenses work, no need to explain!

“host by my own petard” is an archaic phrase from Hamlet and the archaic version of the past tense of “hoist” is “hoist”, because the present tense actually used to be “hoise”!

To quote Merriam-Webster:
The phrase comes from William Shakespeare's Hamlet: "For 'tis the sport to have the enginer / Hoist with his own petar."
Hoist in this case is the past participle of the verb hoise, meaning "to lift or raise," and petar(d) refers to an explosive device used in siege warfare.

[quote Migrainesbythedozen]@HaveringWavering Hoisted is correct because the 'ed indicates past tense. Rather than hoist, which is present tense.[/quote]
'hoist' is right.
a) that's the direct quote from Hamlet
b) it's the correct past tense of the verb 'hoise' (which is now archaic).

@Migrainesbythedozen

Oh, x-post with another pedant

Cross post @IntermittentParps 👊

@IntermittentParps

Oh, x-post with another pedant

Not just another pedant, the one who was told she was WRONG!! Red rag to a pedantic bull .

@HaveringWavering Both are acceptable. The word "hoist" here is the past participle of the now-archaic verb hoise (since Shakespeare's time, hoist has become the present tense of the verb, with hoisted the past participle), and carries the meaning "to lift and remove".[14]

and
nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/famous/hoisted-by-his-own-petard/

idioms.thefreedictionary.com/hoisted+by+your+own+petard

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hoist

www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/hoist-by-your-own-petard.html

writingexplained.org/idiom-dictionary/hoisted-by-his-own-petard

forum.wordreference.com/threads/hoist-or-hoisted.2587360/

The present/past tense confusion can be seen with UK posters on here saying "I am sat" or "I was stood" or "I am stood".

It's like the words 'sitting' and 'standing' have become obsolete.

Bung in the oven would really irritate me. Or throw things or anything a hit hapdash/indicating bunging/throwing etc!!

@Migrainesbythedozen perhaps I need to spell this out to you VERY SLOWLY. The poster who said she was “hoisted by her own petard” was poking gentle fun at herself as she had made a mistake in a post that was criticising others’ language. I then carried on the joke by humourously pointing out in the comic persona of an extreme pedant that actually she was still wrong because the true quote is “hoist” not hoisted. I even put a winky face and everything. I’m sure she got the joke, even if you did not.

By saying that “hoist” was wrong, you spoiled my joke so I felt compelled to come back in and clarify that “hoist” was the original. I was not arguing that “hoisted” was not an acceptable modern past tense for “hoist”, not even that it was not a common modernisation of the Hamlet quote. I was just defending my joke. OK?

[quote HaveringWavering]@Migrainesbythedozen perhaps I need to spell this out to you VERY SLOWLY. The poster who said she was “hoisted by her own petard” was poking gentle fun at herself as she had made a mistake in a post that was criticising others’ language. I then carried on the joke by humourously pointing out in the comic persona of an extreme pedant that actually she was still wrong because the true quote is “hoist” not hoisted. I even put a winky face and everything. I’m sure she got the joke, even if you did not.

By saying that “hoist” was wrong, you spoiled my joke so I felt compelled to come back in and clarify that “hoist” was the original. I was not arguing that “hoisted” was not an acceptable modern past tense for “hoist”, not even that it was not a common modernisation of the Hamlet quote. I was just defending my joke. OK?[/quote]
Wow. I think you are taking this far too seriously and seem a bit hostile. I was just adding to the conversation, not meaning end harm.

I think I'll hide this thread because I have no need for aggressiveness like this.

*end harm should be any harm.

@HaveringWavering thanks for full quote, as an "enginer" myself I'll enjoy finding places to use it!

I’m not sure that explaining that “ed” means “in the past” adds much to any conversation that does not involve a 4 year-old…

Should of/could of
Needs gone/needs done
They drive me mad and I stop reading any posts which include them.
Another pet hate is 'kitchen supper' so bloody pretentious.

I have an Irish friend who says ‘throw’ for everything, so ‘throw in the oven’, ‘throw in the washing machine’ etc. It doesn’t annoy me but I have found myself subconsciously saying it as well and every time I’m just like ‘why?!?’ It’s funny how you pick up things like this without meaning to.