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Family history. I don't get it. Can you explain?

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Jessicabrassica · 23/12/2021 22:24

My mil is obsessed by family history. I am really pleased she has a hobby and she talks about it a lot. (It's a bit like a 10yo talking at you about super heros).

But I really don't get it.
I have told my children stories of the people who were in my life growing up, and some of my mum's stories from growing up. But these are people of whom we have actual meaningful memories and relationships.

I understand there is skill in the detective work but I struggle to see how your 4th cousin 3x removed is actually relevant if you have to find them on the internet and don't know them irl.

I come from a lineage where blood relatives are generally a bad thing. I'm adopted, dm was fostered and df went non-contact with his family. I don't really get 'family'. This might colour my view.
I'd like to get to a point where I understand the relevance if long-dead and unmet relatives. Can anyone help me out?

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Ylvamoon · 24/12/2021 16:27

I find it interesting from a social perspective.

One direct line family member made it from a life in servitude to owning a house with some land (ok smallholding). Her son received an education and beame a university professor... said woman never married and we don't know who the father to her only child was. Obviously we can speculative... a real Cinderella story minus the wedding. All this happened 250 years ago!

MarieVanGoethem · 24/12/2021 16:37

I alternately enjoy & am massively frustrated-thwarted by working on my family tree entire fecking population of Street born in 1870’s called Daniel Buckley because of course it is & seeing/imagining how the people on it fit into their historical context. It’s odd, too, that there are various of them at various points who would almost certainly have crossed paths: boughs of a tree bending & gently brushing past each other. Of course, if my great-great aunts with opposing views on “The Irish Question” had ever met I’d certainly know about it as there’d be family tales on both sides & quite frankly possibly the resultant scrap would’ve made the papers. The one an upper-class, Protestant, university-educated, Unionist with a profession from the North; the other a Catholic Irish-speaking Cork woman who’d no education beyond the compulsory (& what she could manage for herself beyond that) - who was an IRA member (& safe house keeper).* I like to imagine that now, 100 years after partition, they’d’ve mellowed enough for me to have them both as guests to my fantasy dinner party, but I might need a wee bit more time yet.

I’ve been able to give my father & my [maternal] aunt (my mother died when I was 10) information they didn’t previously have about relatives they knew but I didn’t; or even just the relations they’d grown up hearing stories about.

I find the infant mortality very sad, even from a distance. Two of my great-uncles (opposite sides of the family) shared a Christian name. They also both died before they outgrew their “baby” nicknames. I discovered one of my great-aunts had had a twin, who died of measles when they were 18 months old. The twin was never ever spoken of, while her brother was talked of often & fondly, though he had not been much older when he died. Presumably my great-grandparents were told it would be best for the surviving twin to basically pretend she’d always been an “only”, but… Those two wee dotes are buried on the other side of the world & for all I know there’s nothing of what made them THEM in the grave, I’m weirdly grateful it’s a family plot with their aunts & uncles etc so they’re not “alone”. Which is thoroughly absurd, but there we are Blush (Honest to God it. makes. no. sense. at. all. - but it is a wee bit more complicated, I think it’s tangled with imagining my great-granny realising she’d never visit the grave again [plans to return marred by widowhood & WWI] & the different ways grief, mourning & commemorating/celebrating life & death are temporally, culturally, & socially mediated. So not just me being a great eejit, but mostly the eejittery).

I don’t expect everyone - or indeed anyone - else to be interested though. I think perhaps people expect other people in their family to care about their family tree because, well, it’s theirs. But it’s simply of no interest to some people - they don’t feel any connection, pull, or curiosity. I suppose the problem is if people interpret that as a rejection of them/their family rather than genealogy/[family] history just not being their cup of tea, which I’m not sure how one could remedy effectively given that mismatch of perceptions/understanding.

Oh & I’m in my 30’s & my keen awareness of my own mortality began with my mother’s unexpected death when I was 10, so do I get to be the demographic rule-proving exception? (Though the NHS do keep on at me about my Impending Doom - nice email the other day to say I’m in the ✨special✨ group of people who get the FaNcY new drugs should they contract COVID. Which I must do a PCR test for on the slightest suspicion I might have it. Also, CONSTANT VIGILANCE! Happy Christmas to me indeed…)

*As a reminder for anyone reading this, I’m talking about the IRA of the 1910s-1940s: Auntie H was involved in the fight for the Free State; it was a very different thing to what comes to mind [for most people] when you mention said organisation.

Bagelsandbrie · 24/12/2021 16:40

I absolutely hate family tree stuff - my mum was horrible, my dad was horrible, I don’t speak to any other relatives. It’s just me, my dh and my dc and that’s fine. I’d be horrified and annoyed if some random sixth cousin removed or something emailed me wanting to get in touch or trying to trace things. I don’t want anything to do with my “family”. My family are the people I’ve chosen to surround myself with and I don’t want to be traced or connected to anyone from way back when just because someone enjoys it as a hobby.

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MousesBack · 24/12/2021 16:45

I think family history is something you either get or you really don't!
For me, I always loved the historical tales my grandparents used to tell about their childhoods and the people in them. The fact that we have (and still use) a lot of their belongings made it come alive; I have a real sense of these people even though they died long before I was born. Doing genealogical research online more recently has backed up many of the stories I had heard and provided answers to things we were never clear on.

MousesBack · 24/12/2021 16:50

@shinynewapple21

My dad was very much into family history as a hobby in his retirement . I have inherited files and files of his investigations and whilst it doesn't mean much to me at the moment, I'm keeping it in case I show an interest in future . Plus which I couldn't bear to throw all his hard work away .
Every family should have a "keeper of the records" . Even if you're not interested, one day someone will be grateful that you saved all your dad's work for subsequent generations.
BorgQueen · 24/12/2021 17:18

If I hadn’t started researching then I would never have known that my Great Grandparents got married in 1885 in the same Church that I did in 1985, or that both of them had been married/widowed beforehand, he had a Son, she had 3 sons and a daughter then they had 4 more!
Nobody in my Family knew that, they thought my Grandad had been born in Ireland when in fact he was born in 1890 not half a mile from where I live now, in a tiny terraced house that is still there.
Or that the blind old lady 4 doors from me is the Grandaughter of my Grandad’s elder sister.
I can’t wait until the 1921 census comes out.
I’d never even seen a photo of my maternal Grandparents and they died before I was born, now I have and also my Great Grandmother who was born in 1852 and outlived all but one of her 8 children.
There is also a mystery - my G-Grandma married for a 3rd time in 1901, the same year my G-Grandad died, she married a widower who had 3 children under 12 but he died the same year, I can’t find any trace of what happened to his children and it upset me. I know they weren’t with my G-Grandma at the next census in 1911, she was living with 2 of her own adult daughters by then.
There’s also another weird family connection, by 1911 my Grandad and 3 siblings had all married into the same family and they all lived together, all 14 of them!
I’m trying to find out more because by 1920 he was with my Grandma (not married) and had my Mum, it looks like they didn’t marry until 1950!

Seems to be no trace of his 1st wife. Nobody in my family had any idea he was married before and they only ever knew of his younger Sister. Obviously a big secret.

MarshmallowFondant · 24/12/2021 17:40

I don't think it's always accurate to talk about "secrets". Obviously some things uncovered in family history definitely are secrets, especially when you start looking at DNA tests and matches.

But it's often more a culture of just not talking about it. My grandmother had a child who died as a baby, between my father and his older sister. There was a picture of the baby in the house so it wasn't a secret, but it was also made clear this was not a topic for discussion. I am currently working with a client who has a hand written "family history" his father drew up in 1971, i'm basically fact checking it. (Not many facts so far, to be honest). It's not that there are family secrets it's just that nobody ever thought to ask.

And yes, the renaming of babies after deceased siblings is very common. I had one family where the father's parents were James and Sarah. The first four children the family had were named after the father's parents, then the mother's parents. The first two James died under the age of 3, the next boy was also James. There were also two separate girls both called Sarah.

newrubylane · 24/12/2021 17:54

With DNA test available these days, you can sometimes figure out that your so-called great-grandfather wasn't your great-grandfather at all. And sometimes you can identify the real one, or at least some potential candidates for.

Appleseesaw · 24/12/2021 17:59

I adore family history. I love the thrill of the chase and love solving mysteries. In a way, I’ve been using family history to try to right the wrongs of the past. Family history has helped to explain a lot for me. There have been numerous surprises along the way and I’ve connected with some amazing people. I’ve also found that family history has been a practical help today. I adore my hobby, could spend a fortune on it and I can’t wait until 6 Jan when the 1921 census is released.

QuinionsRainbow · 26/12/2021 19:12

@Jessicabrassica

Thank you. I guess I'm struggling to see the people and the richness of their lives when all you have is a dob, number of siblings, parents jobs ... I'm more interested in the ” our Xmas pudding recipe has been passed down from x who was the kitchen main at Downton" kind of story. That feels tangible. Agatha, born in 1832, one of 8, spinster, died 1873 just feels like data not like an actual person.

To be honest I feel the same about my birth family. They're also nothing but names on a piece of paper

Maybe I'm just stuck between 2 families - 1 where I have genetic links but no social ones and one where I'm not related but I share the social stories.

OP - I agree with you about the birth family and names bit, if all you are doing is collecting names and Birth/marriage/death dates. Bur without that information you can't find out about the real people that your ancestors were. Back when I started tracing my family tree , all I knew was my patents' names and dates, plus the names of my 4 grandparents - and one of those was probably false! I now know that one of my lines has several generations of coal-miners, some of whim lost their lives in pit disasters. Another line has several marine stokers, including one who gave his life for King and Country in WW1 and from whom I inherited both a late Victorian book on marine engineering and the right to Irish nationality. and an EU passport When we went on holiday to north Norfolk last year, I was able to say to DH "Grannie's people came from this village" on more than one occasion. But, and it'a a big BUT, i am still looking for the grandfather who put a false name on my Dad's birth Certificate! And i will keep on looking, not because I want to blame him anything he did but because i want to find out what sort of person he was, and why he did what he did.
chiefcha · 26/12/2021 19:25

I love family history. I do agree that if all you're doing is collecting names and dates from parish records then that's a bit boring.
It's putting the meat on the bones which is fascinating. Newspaper archives and all the various records on ancestry are amazing.
My roots are all poverty, lots of ancestors in the workhouse...some sad stories but fascinating.
I've found out so much about gt / gt gt grandparents that my own grandparents went their whole lives without knowing, I wish they were still here to tell them.

chiefcha · 26/12/2021 19:32

@QuinionsRainbow have you done a DNA test? If you did one and looked at your matches, you will most likely find a few people who match each other too, but whose ancestors don't fit into your tree...their trees might give clues to who your grandfather was. The amount of DNA you share with them would indicate what relation you are.
I have a DNA mystery looking at my matches but it most likely dates back to a gt gt or even gt gt gt grandfather- i imagine it would be easier to figure out with a grandparent.

SommerTen · 26/12/2021 23:32

I wanted to research my family history for two reasons - firstly because some members of my family including my sister are of mixed race appearance and have had racial abuse; yet we have no idea what our family's ethnic background is.

Secondly to see if certain family stories and myths are true.

As my surname is unusual (and has been accused of being 'foreign') I easily traced my Dad's fathers' line in England back to the 1500s to a man called Galfridi who was an immigrant. Therefore we are definitely English after over 500 years!!

However I can't find out why that side of the family are of mixed race appearance - I just don't have enough information about my Dads grandmother who was a different ethnicity... so that's my next project.

My mum's father Charles was allegedly Jewish but I'm finding it tricky to trace his mother Annie Bloomfield as she's one of many.

Nan said too that Charles had been a Workhouse Master - well at 29 in 1911 he was a Workhouse Porter & Master of Work.
Not the Workhouse Master.
She also said he was a Regimental Sgt Major in ww1 but he was actually a Company Sgt Major.

My nan's Mother Lily was said to be a nurse in France in Ww1 but it turns out she was one of the first female soldiers in 1917 in France!!
Lily obviously pretended that she'd been a nurse to her children for her own reasons.

I'm basically most interested in my recent great grandparents & great aunts & uncles as my parents (due to divorce & other issues) hardly met them & know very little about them.
The kind of history I'm into is late Victorian onto ww2 anyway.

I've also just found out my great uncle Carl (possibly married at least 4 times) was a POW in Ww2.
And my Grandad Bill was the product of a bigamous marriage - his dad had 22 children in total!!!

I've joined Ancestry & was exited to find old family photos on other people's trees.
I'm doing a DNA test next and hope to find out more about my ethnicity and any matches...

MarshmallowFondant · 27/12/2021 09:19

DNA tests are definitely the way to go if you're trying to confirm broad questions about whether you have a Jewish ancestor, or one who is a completely different ethnicity from the rest.

If you do discover Jewish roots or links to a specific ethnic group I would recommend joining a Facebook group or similar for people researching those backgrounds. Jewish ancestry and DNA is tricky - there was traditionally so much intermarriage between the community that the percentages of shares DNA become skewed.

Good luck and if you get stuck come and visit us on the MN genealogy forum as there's always someone to help.

ivykaty44 · 27/12/2021 09:26

I worked in this field for many years, I have an interest in social history and enjoy the research aspect of the subject.

I’ve traced my own family history, here and there

My grandfather when he was alive thought it was bizarre, why would you want to look back - the world is moving forward and you need to look to the future not the past ( this was a 94 year old man without skeletons)

Each to their own though & I’ve had much pleasure in helping people research all sorts, from adoption to criminal records & ancestry in asylums

ivykaty44 · 27/12/2021 09:27

I've joined Ancestry & was exited to find old family photos on other people's trees.

I found a photograph of my mum on ancestry that I’d never seen before, it was a lovely find

MarshmallowFondant · 27/12/2021 09:32

My grandfather when he was alive thought it was bizarre, why would you want to look back - the world is moving forward and you need to look to the future not the past ( this was a 94 year old man without skeletons)

My granny was exactly the same. In the 1980s a great uncle did a family tree the hard way - he spent hours and hours in the reading room at register house in Edinburgh going through volumes and writing out this massive tree by hand. He had it all duplicated and gave a copy to each relative.

Granny thought he was absolutely bonkers. Why would you even be interested in these people you never knew?

I still have his handwritten tree and it's great - not particularly accurate, but I appreciate the sheer volume of work which has gone into it.

whenwillthemadnessend · 27/12/2021 09:32

My in laws did this

All lovely but it was a bit boring when they went on about it

I think it's what old
People like to get into to accept their own mortality in a way.

Maybe I will get into it too in a decade or so.

ZealAndArdour · 27/12/2021 09:35

Some of it is really dry and boring but there’s other bits of absolute magic in there. Like where I found out two connections in my family tree to two of my current real life friends. One of them two generations ago, and the other 3-4 generations ago. Feels weirdly nice to know that as modern women we’ve somehow found our way back to our ancestors by chance.

MarshmallowFondant · 27/12/2021 09:38

It's not just your own family though. I have looked into other people's family backgrounds for them. One of the current trends is house history - people who live in older properties are interested in looking into the people who lived in their house through the ages (like the House Through Time show on BBC2). People with unusual surnames get involved in one name surname studies, or then there's the whole world of heraldry and coats of arms which I find absolutely fascinating.

I also think it's very wrong to assume it's something only old people are interested in. Hmm

ivykaty44 · 27/12/2021 09:43

MarshmallowFondant I started researching family history in my early twenties before children & before the Internet.

It’s certainly not just for older people, but they tend to have the time & resources to spend on this hobby.

Just after Christmas is always a busy time for family history, half term also as it seemed many in teaching liked to participate in this hobby 🤷‍♀️

SpookyScarySkeletons · 27/12/2021 09:45

I think that your own family history has a huge bearing on your feelings about this.

MarshmallowFondant · 27/12/2021 09:50

@SpookyScarySkeletons I'd probably agree with that. DH's father has no interest. His own mother's parentage was unclear, his grandmother had two babies in quick succession before she married, no idea who the father was or whether the same person fathered both babies. His grandmother (oldest of 11 children in a large family) cut all ties with her family and moved 250 miles to a new city to get away from them all. There have been hints of potential abuse within the wider family and I think DH's dad is just wary of what might be uncovered.

DH is interested though and we've sent off a DNA sample for him. Won't be sharing any of the results with his father though.

SpookyScarySkeletons · 27/12/2021 09:54

@MarshmallowFondant yep I feel the same to be honest. I'm tempted by one of the DNA kits but I'm scared how many half siblings may pop up!!

My dad basically shagged anything that moved from the day he married my mum until she threw him out 6 years later.

I think there is one half-brother out there as their single next door neighbour was pregnant at the same time as my mum and she found out he had been seeing her on the side.

MarchionessOfMayhem · 27/12/2021 10:08

I have been doing genealogy for 25 years, I was 15 when I started. I was inspired by my Great Grandmother who I knew well and who could remember her Great Grandmother so right away I had a direct connection to my 4x Great Grandmother. What I find fascinating is that these people (ancestors) have had a direct influence on my life in some way- decisions they made, jobs they did, how they raised their children, all of this influenced their children, grandchildren etc who then influenced me. I love finding out about their lives (more than their name and date of birth). I use newspaper archives, medical records (where available), military records, census records all of which build a picture. Connecting with people who are distantly related can also fill gaps - for example, last year a distant cousin was able to provide me with photographs of my Great Great Great Grandparents - because her side of the family inherited them. It was lovely to received them and so strange to see the family resemblance between them and my Grandfather (their Great Grandson). She was also able to provide stories I hadn’t heard before and I was able to do the same for her.