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HermioneWeasley · 2021-12-16T10:37:52+00:00

I read as an incidental comment that she had an IQ of 70. This doesn’t seem to have been taken into account by social services in terms of her needing more support or being vulnerable. Does anyone know what would normally happen? It seems like a very significant factor which should have had social services on alert.

Santahatesbraisedcabbage · 16/12/2021 16:24

Updates suggest the lenient sentences may possible be reviewed.. They have 28 days to change them.

santasmuma · 16/12/2021 16:27

But a mild learning disability doesn’t excuse her behaviour and it is insulting to other people with learning disabilities to suggest that it does.

I actually think it's insulting to people with learning disabilities not to acknowledge how they can be manipulated and abused really.

thelittlestrhino · 16/12/2021 16:28

@CremeEggThief

Possibly, Bubbles, but I doubt the Parole Board would let her go early. I person think the 8 year sentence is about right.

Think she's to serve at least 1/3rd of the sentence, but has been in prison for 450ish days already

KitBumbleB · 16/12/2021 16:31

David, FS step-grandad has kept in touch with her in prison has said he doesnt think she really understands that Star is dead and never coming back.

Its not "being an apologist" its looking at the information objectively and understanding the incredible complexities of the case, FS had a chaotic upbringing herself if you read between the lines, Star's dad has a string of criminal convictions including assaulting his gf.

I used to work with a young man with additional needs, he was groomed by a drug gang to carry drugs and weapons, he knew this was wrong but they offered to buy him a Starbucks and that was his favourite thing in the world so he did it. Its called Mate Crime.

NoNamesAvailableAnymore · 16/12/2021 16:32

@santasmuma

But a mild learning disability doesn’t excuse her behaviour and it is insulting to other people with learning disabilities to suggest that it does.

I actually think it's insulting to people with learning disabilities not to acknowledge how they can be manipulated and abused really.

I agree. I also think the psychological impacts of domestic abuse, especially where vulnerable women have been preyed on, need to be more acknowledged in society and the legal system.

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 16/12/2021 16:34

@NoNamesAvailableAnymore

I’m sure, I watched a video interview of David Fawcett yesterday after the sentencing and he said the initial report by Hollie was regarding the chaotic living conditions at her mothers house and the impact of the relationship. I followed the trial and she definitely did not mention any concealing of injuries in the time she gave evidence.

I followed the trial daily and don't recall anything about this either

Onetraumaatatimeplease · 16/12/2021 16:37

An IQ of 70 means a learning disability, that's why it matters, my daughter is 22 she has an IQ of 69. She has complex learning and behavioural needs. There is no way she would ever be able to raise a child. I have been told she has a mental age of 10/11.

Goodmorninglights · 16/12/2021 16:39

I know a family where the parents’ cognitive ability has been tested, how I don’t know. However this was reported to be very low and … no further action taken, children still living, unsupported, with parents unable to care and protect them adequately. No one actually cares, I see it repeatedly.

ThrobbingToothacheOfTheMind · 16/12/2021 16:46

@IWasHotInTheNineties

She’s a vile bitch who hurt her baby and let her partner torture and kill her baby. There’s no excuses or reasons. She belongs in hell.

This.

Don’t care “why” she took part in torturing a baby, the fact is she took part in torturing a baby.

Gingerbreadhoose · 16/12/2021 16:48

Not bright enough/cabable to know the difference between wrong or right but still bright enough/capable to bring a child into this world.

Animals don't know the difference between right and wrong, but they still have sex and reproduce.

Having sex and getting pregnant are not evidence you are a mature or capable individual.

mowglika · 16/12/2021 16:51

FS knew SB was abusing and battering Star, yet she repeatedly left Star in her care for ‘her own ends’ as mentioned by the judge - so she could go to the pub and go out on nights drinking. The judge said her culpability lies squarely in the high category, despite her low intelligence. The judge also said on the balance of the evidence FS knew and had known for some time where Star was getting her bruises from.

This is nothing to do with IQ. It’s nothing to do with being abused. Regardless of what some of you may know about low IQ offenders, FS was convicted with high culpability after the judge and jury had considered all the evidence before them.

So I don’t buy any of this.

PearlclutchersInc · 16/12/2021 16:56

gingerbread you are right. It is so heartbreaking to hear these stories which involve these kinds of people though. Are the numbers on the increase or are they picked up more by the media.

50ShadesOfCatholic · 16/12/2021 16:59

I thought exactly the same as you OP.

70 is significantly low, enough to render a person very vulnerable.

I'm guessing she/her family were unaware of just how vulnerable she was.

To me it explained a lot about her being in over her head with the vicious partner because it does seem that Star was well cared for before the partner appeared on the scene.

I also read that she did tell the partner to "leave us alone" after noticing bruising on Star so she did exhibit protective instincts.

Candyss · 16/12/2021 17:00

@mowglika

FS knew SB was abusing and battering Star, yet she repeatedly left Star in her care for ‘her own ends’ as mentioned by the judge - so she could go to the pub and go out on nights drinking. The judge said her culpability lies squarely in the high category, despite her low intelligence. The judge also said on the balance of the evidence FS knew and had known for some time where Star was getting her bruises from.

This is nothing to do with IQ. It’s nothing to do with being abused. Regardless of what some of you may know about low IQ offenders, FS was convicted with high culpability after the judge and jury had considered all the evidence before them.

So I don’t buy any of this.

your IQ and being abused can seriously shape you as a person and your decision making.

my dad was extremely violent, put my mum in hospital several times, bit my brother on the cheek when he was only 2 years old etc. it still took her 4 years to leave and there were times she left me and my brother with him. she is not a remotely cruel woman. she was abused and manipulated. it really does happen.

it's not as black and white as she is an evil vile bitch.

savannah on the other hand...

50ShadesOfCatholic · 16/12/2021 17:02

@mowglika

FS knew SB was abusing and battering Star, yet she repeatedly left Star in her care for ‘her own ends’ as mentioned by the judge - so she could go to the pub and go out on nights drinking. The judge said her culpability lies squarely in the high category, despite her low intelligence. The judge also said on the balance of the evidence FS knew and had known for some time where Star was getting her bruises from.

This is nothing to do with IQ. It’s nothing to do with being abused. Regardless of what some of you may know about low IQ offenders, FS was convicted with high culpability after the judge and jury had considered all the evidence before them.

So I don’t buy any of this.

But did the judge have evidence before them of the vulnerability of a person of such low IQ in a coercive relationship?

You might be surprised by the gaping holes in many court cases.

50ShadesOfCatholic · 16/12/2021 17:04

@Candyss

Oh I am so sorry for what you endured growing up. You have amazing insight. I'm just sorry you had to gain it in such a dreadful way.

Kinko · 16/12/2021 17:14

It's unlikely SS knew her IQ. I suspect she will have been tested after being arrested by her defence lawyers to use as part of the defence.

Malibuismysecrethome · 16/12/2021 17:17

Sorry I’m really not buying the low iQ. The test was commisioned by her defence team and it worked a blinder. Reports normally favour the person paying for them. As I’ve said on other threads she could use a mobile, Snapchat, TikTok, stream, video, add music and do all her personal grooming including having hair extensions. This was a defence strategy.

Malibuismysecrethome · 16/12/2021 17:19

Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think her family (who would know) have mentioned her learning difficulties or that she was like a 12 year old.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 16/12/2021 17:31

@Santahatesbraisedcabbage

Gorillas have an IQ of between 75 and 95 but don't allow other gorillas to abuse their infants....

So this woman isn't as smart as an ape. Animals who can and do reject infants, kill infants and eat other primates.

CoffeeMuggins · 16/12/2021 17:32

I am not excusing anyone's behaviour, definitely not, but people really need to try to take the emotional aspect out of this to try and understand what has happened here.

FS has the maturity of someone around the age of 8. No one would say these things about an 8 year old that was physically also 8 who was being abused and manipulated into doing and believing things that an adult told them. That's the dynamic we have here. A grown woman manipulating an 8 year old in a teenagers body.

That said, FS should never be allowed to be alone with a child again because she isn't mature enough and could very easily fall in to the same sort of relationship where horrible things can happen again. She may be many things, but I don't think evil is one of the things we can call her.

x2boys · 16/12/2021 17:42

@CoffeeMuggins

I am not excusing anyone's behaviour, definitely not, but people really need to try to take the emotional aspect out of this to try and understand what has happened here.

FS has the maturity of someone around the age of 8. No one would say these things about an 8 year old that was physically also 8 who was being abused and manipulated into doing and believing things that an adult told them. That's the dynamic we have here. A grown woman manipulating an 8 year old in a teenagers body.

That said, FS should never be allowed to be alone with a child again because she isn't mature enough and could very easily fall in to the same sort of relationship where horrible things can happen again. She may be many things, but I don't think evil is one of the things we can call her.

You don't know that at all ,she has a borderline learning disability ,and was very young ,but IQ testing is a very tough guide ,and apparently can be out by ten points either way ,I know a lot of children with learning disabilities,as my son goes to a special school ,even at special schools and I don't believe she went to one ,pupils can have a very broad range of abilities and disabilities .

x2boys · 16/12/2021 17:43

rough guide*

CoffeeMuggins · 16/12/2021 17:53

@x2boys

I'm gonna go ahead and trust what I have read instead of listening to you, I think.

Malibuismysecrethome · 16/12/2021 18:05

Well if her mental age has now gone down from 12 to 8 could it not possibly go in the other direction and be 16?