Are there any conspiracy theories you actually believe?

[AnxiousAngelina]

Inspired by another thread. Come on even if they're mad ones... fess up.

I cant remember the details but I remember doing a bit of online research years ago and thinking it's not 100% impossible that Tupac faked his death!

The idea that the Russians wouldn't carry out assassinations abroad doesn't seem to hold up in light of subsequent events, and it is entirely plausible that they could bring down an airframe in a non-obvious way

It always serious baffles me as to how people assume that the governments of countries like Russia and China will be up to nefarious acts such as assassinations, political incarcerations and poisonings - and that you must be foolish if you don't believe that they can't be trusted to tell the truth.

Yet, when it comes to countries like the UK and the USA, people will insist the exact opposite - even when documented history proves that they have a lot of previous for it.

9/11 , Diana's death and the fact that covid came from a wet market in a town that has a virology lab and everyone is supposed to believe it didn't come from the lab .

NO

I think Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy, just like he said he was.

But on the RF, I dont buy "Not even that, necessarily, if they had insisted that her ‘personal doctor’ needed a minute alone with her" as she wasn't in Britain and wouldn't have a personal doctor in Paris

It wouldn't need to be her actual doctor at all - although I don't think it would take very long at all by helicopter from London to Paris, if it were them. Al Fayed clearly had his own 'ecosystem' in Paris, so why would he not have trusted doctors? Was he truly outraged at his, Dodi's and Diana's alleged treatment at the hands of the RF, or did he maybe protest too much - as we've already said, a perceived 'mad man' spouting the truth in public can be an effective way of bringing ridicule on it. I don't think we could ever know that part.

I'm just saying that, if it had been the case that a member of the RF or a high-ranking British diplomat had insisted on her being seen by their nominated person, I can't see them being refused.

Name changed for obvious reasons. The Marconi deaths. As a current employee of a Marconi offshoot based at one of the sites where a death happened... I feel quite strongly about this particular theory!

[quote MissGiwi]**@questionablemouse* @jacaranda75* the moon landing is hilarious. NASA uses CGI images of the earth and are funded billions of dollars each year for doing just that - insanity. If you’re into the moon landing you really should research flat earth, its interesting because one aspect of it it goes into how the moon is a plasma reflection of earth, there’s multiple pictures people have taken of the moon that show the “craters” zoomed in are literally to the finest detail, the same shape as countries on a flat earth map. What’s interesting is that the countries we know of only takes up a bottom quarter of the moons “craters”, there’s way more land than we know about past the Antarctic ring. A few people wrote about what they saw through the ice wall before the Antarctic treaty banned tourism and airplanes - only for the rich under extremely strict conditions. Anyway I could go on forever, incredible how so many things are linked to the earth being flat but, Eric Dubay is worth checking out on YouTube![/quote]
This is genuinely the most batshit thing I've ever read.

Regarding 911, I read somewhere that they found the terrorists passports and papers in the raging inferno but they couldn't find the plane's black box.

Citation please…

The Data Recorders from Flight 93 were recovered, the circumstances of the other crashes (especially the post crash fires) were way outside the recorders design specification..

As I recall things some of the hijackers paperwork was found in cars or a car they left at ? Boston Logan airport.

9/11
Diana's death
New World Order / Georgia guidestones
Switching of Titanic and Olympic
Covid

Not saying I necessarily believe all the theories but they are very interesting!

Definitely 9/11 and Diana for me

But curious as to why Courtney Love would want Kurt dead....can anyone enlighten me?

dropitlieitsloth I don't really think the earth is flat. I've flown round it too often to believe that. Oh and I'm not an idiot!

So you DO believe that it was at least partially a conspiracy by the US authorities, then?

No, I believe there was a cover up of the authorities’ failings. That’s entirely different from a conspiracy to drop the towers.

Hillsborough to begin. Grenfell, you really believe the low death toll?

Hillsborough was never really considered to be a conspiracy theory other than that comment from that one judge. As I said, they had factual evidence. As for Grenfell, I’m not across the detail but I assume if more people died, it would be very easy to prove. Either way, you can’t claim it has been proven to be true.

Any others?

I read somewhere that…

The hallmark of every good conspiracy theory.

BTW I’m still struggling with this plasma moon, craters looking like reflections of the Earth theory…in my younger days, before the world wide wait was invented, when I had time for hobbies I spent quite a bit of time peering with my own eyes at the Moon through a fairly high powered telescope and never noticed the phenomenon. Obviously I was not doing the right sort of research…..now that the internet has come along I must go and re-educate myself and re-align my thinking grin

Well exactly, anyone looking at the moon through an average pair of binoculars can tell it’s a real solid spherical thing. For fuck’s sake.

[quote ZimZamZoom]I fully believe we are living in a simulation

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis[/quote]
Totally. The Matrix blew my mind. Read your Wikipedia link and had an "aha!" moment. That's where The Sims name came from🤦🏻‍♀️

That is very true – BUT, equally, there does exist a certain snobbery around information discovered and shared online. Some people will still dismissively say “Oh, is that something you read on the internet ?!” regardless of the credibility of the source on the world’s main platform for sharing knowledge and information. You hear people scoff at those worried about their health who have “consulted Dr Google, have you?” – even though the information they have researched may have all come from the NHS website and similar.

Well, you've put your finger on it -- there's information and information available via the internet, and it's necessary to check sources to be able to arrive at any approximation of whether something is credible or not. (For instance, in order to demonstrate the fallibility of Wikipedia, every year before I gave a first year class on sources and referencing, I would temporarily alter a Wiki entry on a small town to claim it had had a well-known werewolf infestation in year X.)

But there's no reason why something on the internet shouldn't be properly sourced, and those sources given.

Actually heard on the BBC news a reporter starting their sentence with "I heard somewhere......"

My new favourite is the Dandelion one. I will now definitely repeat this, prefixed by "I heard somewhere that".

@Bouledeneige

dropitlieitsloth I don't really think the earth is flat. I've flown round it too often to believe that. Oh and I'm not an idiot!

Where did I say you were a idiot? Sorry if that was implied in my writing, even if you did believe it I wouldn’t have called you an idiot.

I’m fascinated by conspiracy theories and was genuinely asking.

@Swirlywoo

My new favourite is the Dandelion one. I will now definitely repeat this, prefixed by "I heard somewhere that".

Everything written in this thread has been heard somewhere. Unless it's been seen somewhere, or course.

So you DO believe that it was at least partially a conspiracy by the US authorities, then?

No, I believe there was a cover up of the authorities’ failings. That’s entirely different from a conspiracy to drop the towers.

But two or more people making deliberate plans to deceive others - that's exactly what a conspiracy is. Whether it's a relatively small matter or a gigantic tyranny, it's still the very definition of a conspiracy.

I read somewhere that…

The hallmark of every good conspiracy theory.

But surely that's the first step of any new information that you may wish to look into further - whether you've read that the royals are lizards or that Tesco have an amazing offer on clothes.

Surely it's more honest to state that "I read somewhere" at the outset rather than instantly declaring that you know it to be definitely true?

Mohammed al Fayed had pissed off the royals years before Dodi got with Diana when he said that the reason he couldn’t get a British passport was because Prince Philip was blocking it

Mohamed al Fayed had been after a British passport for years, but the government kept blocking it due to some dodgy dealing al Fayed was mixed up with. It was nothing to do with Prince Philip or any other royal.

Surely it's more honest to state that "I read somewhere" at the outset rather than instantly declaring that you know it to be definitely true?

It is honest, but the problem is how that information is treated. When it comes to conspiracy theories, any that start with that line, then is repeated and it becomes that lots of people have reported the same thing. Then what happens is people find spurious “evidence” that could perhaps point to that thing having been true. More pertinently it tends to be things that can only be refuted is by people having to prove a negative which is incredibly difficult to do. Conspiracy theories often thrive because even the factual evidence provided is disbelieved or people’s biases interpret it to be actually proving their case.

I think people have a responsibility to provide their sources when presenting any sort of information as quasi factual. The thing PP said was provably false and misleading. But it would be interesting to see where it came from. If it was from www.official911report.gov that puts a different spin on it than if it came from www.911wasdonebythegovernemnt.com

That is very true – BUT, equally, there does exist a certain snobbery around information discovered and shared online. Some people will still dismissively say “Oh, is that something you read on the internet ?!” regardless of the credibility of the source on the world’s main platform for sharing knowledge and information. You hear people scoff at those worried about their health who have “consulted Dr Google, have you?” – even though the information they have researched may have all come from the NHS website and similar.

Even my 12 year old knows the difference between what’s credible on the internet and what isn’t. The scoffing will usually come because of the information itself rather than the fact it came from the internet. Of someone says “I read on the internet that Mount Everest is over 8,000m high” nobody is going to scoff at that. If they said “I read on the internet that there is a family of yetis who live on Mount Everest” then the scoffing begins.

Same with health. “Dr, I looked at Google and my symptoms are of a rare disorder only ever found in the rainforest” or “Dr, I looked at Google and it seems my symptoms might be tonsillitis” two very different things.