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Has anyone else had one of these religious letters through the post

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Jackthementalkitten · 03/12/2021 17:46

Apologies if this has been done/ posted about before. I received this letter through the post today- from the Jehovah’s witnesses. With covid I’m assuming it’s how there communicating with people. I was really surprised that it was hand written, must take hours too write those out, price of stamps - I dread too think. Has anybody else received one? No disrespect, I’m very happy with my own faith, it’s gone in the bin.

Has anyone else had one of these religious letters through the post
Has anyone else had one of these religious letters through the post
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21dolly · 03/12/2021 21:34

[quote DismantledKing]21dolly

I suppose a member of a cult wouldn’t describe it as such. Not surprising really. Other people think otherwise.

www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/gallery/woman-born-jehovahs-witnesses-says-4632869.amp[/quote]
Thousands and thousands of people have a lot to say about a religion and the people they were surrounded by once they leave. Attaching a link really does nothing for me. I've been friends with Muslims who have converted to Christianity and vice versa. ALL have had a lot to say about the religion they've left, that's literally nature.

If you think it's a cult then you think it's a cult! You're entitled to your opinion and I'm definitely not interested enough to try and convince you otherwise

21dolly · 03/12/2021 21:36

They're just trying to clock up enough letters to get into heaven.

@MurielSpriggs JWs don't even believe they go to heaven so that was an ignorant comment😂

depremesnil · 03/12/2021 21:39

@21dolly

So are you saying that the woman was lying when she said that JW crossed the road when they saw her in the street, or that they controlled what she could read and watch, or that they stopped her from having a career or further education?

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Echobelly · 03/12/2021 21:40

I had one a few weeks back - I figured it was a copy probably. I'm Jewish as it happens, so definitely not interested!

hyperbyke · 03/12/2021 21:41

not really tbh. I decline the use of blood products or any sort of blood transfusion as there's other things that can be done instead of giving blood products/transfusions, it's just the easiest option in most circumstances. And before you start, yes I've actually been in a situation where I've declined blood and had other provisions put in place by the Consultants dealing with me.

Except there's not always alternatives, and if there are they're not always as good.

Many religions don't 'approve' of same sex relationships because of the word written in the Bible/Quran. Everyone chooses to believe different things, not everyone agrees and that's okay

Homophobia is never okay.

21dolly · 03/12/2021 21:46

[quote depremesnil]@21dolly

So are you saying that the woman was lying when she said that JW crossed the road when they saw her in the street, or that they controlled what she could read and watch, or that they stopped her from having a career or further education?[/quote]
Where did I say anything about anyone lying??Confused I said thousands of people have stuff to say about a religion they've left, whether positive or negative. If you're going to take one person's view/opinion of a religion they were in and base that on the whole religion then maybe you should try and get out a bit more!

Her parents were clearly extreme in controlling what she could read or watch or preventing her to progress within further education. Does that mean the religion TOLD her parents to do that?? The views on JWs are always quite strange.

In Islam you're not actually allowed to listen to music. There's many other things you can't do that people would have a strong opinion on, does that mean it's a cult? No lol you just have different views

Highlanders372 · 03/12/2021 21:47

We had 2 last week, I was amazed that they'd put their mobile number on the letter! I can imagine they must get some abusive replies.

Whingasaurus · 03/12/2021 21:50

There's no good intent the ones sent to my neighbour was slightly sinister she's just had a baby and was really upset at being targeted by strangers

depremesnil · 03/12/2021 21:51

it's not just her opinion, it's her experience. She was shunned for leaving. That's a cult practice.

Did you actually read the article?

21dolly · 03/12/2021 21:54

@depremesnil

it's not just her opinion, it's her experience. She was shunned for leaving. That's a cult practice.

Did you actually read the article?

You've read one person's experience and that means the religion is a cult because she says she was shunned when she left, is that really what you're saying right now?

So I can get someone's experience on being a Catholic, Buddhist, Jew etc and if they've had a negative experience I should base the whole religion on what they've said? Because that's ridiculous but that's what you seem to be saying

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 03/12/2021 21:55

I get these. I don’t mind them. I am always polite when they they came to the door dressed in their Sunday best. I am an atheist but welcome positive communication or blessings in any form.

Newnamefor2021 · 03/12/2021 22:01

@TapDancingPolarBear - I was talking about the JW letter stating that, not the Mormon theology. I didn't see the letter, it's just that this person was upset.

JWs are essentially Christian in a lose definition as they believe in the bible and claim to follow Jesus. Most Christian denominations believe the bible is literal. So stories such as Noah's ark where God killed every man, woman and child other than 8 other individuals suggests he does kill children because of their wickedness. God also orders the killing of the Amalekites which include children and babies. So I assume that's where it comes from and while the old law was replaced by the new law of the new testimony it's still pretty harsh reading (as it most of the Old Testament).

Yes, I agree Mormons believe in innocence before the age of 8. And children who die before this age are deemed to be exhaulted, Mormons theorise that parents can raise their children after they die although that's not doctrine, it's based off one comment JS said about the death of one of his children. It's a lovely thought though and I'm sure brings hope to many. It takes some of the string of death away and is a beautiful teaching.

Mormons teach families can be together forever, although the reality is they actually teach family MIGHT be together forever if you get baptised, receive the Holy Ghost, obey the rules including chastity, no alcohol, so coffee, no tea, no smoking, paying 10% of your income to the church, obedience to authority, etc so that you can be deemed worthy to get a temple recommend and go to the temple to receive initiatory, temple endowments and sealing only to another worthy opposite sex partner.

Then Mormons have to continue to live worthy and wear your garments night and day and endure to the end. If you do that, and everyone else in your family does then you can be together forever but if you don't or someone else doesn't then you or they will be downgraded to a lower degree of glory and the worthy individuals will be married to other worthy people, often in polygamous celestial marriages.

So it's sounds nice on the surface but the reality is less families can be together because that relies on others following the principles, even if you yourself are deemed "worthy". The sealing ordinance is only "active" if everyone does their part. Of course if a child is born in the covenant to worthy parents then that works out, but if you have a wayward child then that all breaks down.

If religion brings peace and happiness then that's great, but I don't like the idea of it causing fear and worry to people in letters, it's very personal these days to receive a letter. Like my friend, you don't know that person or their story and now those words will affect them.

BiscuitLover3679 · 03/12/2021 22:02

It makes me sad tbh. I've known jw children and it's a pretty miserable time with this awful belief that the world's constantly about to end.

Thatsplentyjack · 03/12/2021 22:04

I got one last week. Exactly what I thought. That mist have taken ages, and be costing them a fortune to send. The one I got was written in 3 different colours of ink. Weird.

Thatsplentyjack · 03/12/2021 22:05

I didn't actually read it though, which was a bit shit of me but I'm not religious at all. Had no idea it was from JW.

PrincessPaws · 03/12/2021 22:10

Yep, got opened and straight in the bin

ShortColdandGrey · 03/12/2021 22:12

We got one during lockdown. My husband was going to write them a letter back haha. I just put it in the bin. I do prefer a letter than them coming to my door.

Newnamefor2021 · 03/12/2021 22:13

@21dolly I do understand the offence of the word cult as it throws up negative connotations , but it is by definition a cult. If you look up bite model of cult and compare you'll see it fits the criteria. Most religions will but high demand religions fit better.

If your religion makes you happy then that's great, but there are factors that make high demand religions dangerous. In particular you can't question the brethren and that has shown throughout the years to hinder the reporting of abuse. Of course abuse can happen anywhere but in high demand religions it often is in much higher quantities.

While people may come and go without your own Kingdom Hall, you can't deny that there are many many situations where members are shunned, breaking up families and community. For many, that fear of losing community keeps them tied or come back to where they felt safe.

Like I say, people need to do what makes them happy. That's why we gave free choice right? While you might believe we will be burned soon and want to "save" us, we equally may see a different reality. Equally not wanting to be told we will be killed by a loving god isn't the type of thing people want to have written to them in personal letters.

Mantlemoose · 03/12/2021 22:14

JW are a cult.

MurielSpriggs · 03/12/2021 22:15

@21dolly

They're just trying to clock up enough letters to get into heaven.

@MurielSpriggs JWs don't even believe they go to heaven so that was an ignorant comment😂

You know what, I don't think they do either Grin

But according to their own website:

Who Go to Heaven?
The Bible’s answer
God selects a limited number of faithful Christians who, after their death, will be resurrected to life in heaven. (1 Peter 1:3, 4)

How many will be resurrected to heaven?
The Bible indicates that 144,000 people will be resurrected to heavenly life. (Revelation 7:4)

www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/go-to-heaven/

There really is fierce competition to get in. At 144,000 it's very much like finals day at Wimbledon. St Paul writing to the Ephesians does not mention a letter-writing campaign as helping to improve your chances in the ballot, but I'm sure they know what they're doing.

Newnamefor2021 · 03/12/2021 22:19

@MurielSpriggs - I think they believe the majority will inherit a resurrected earth, and 144,000 will be exhaulted. Anyone that doesn't subscribe to the beliefs will be burnt in the second coming. Although I'm not expert and that's just what I've picked up. I have JW friends and love to learn what others believe even though I don't subscribe to their beliefs.

21dolly · 03/12/2021 22:21

@MurielSpriggs haha so much ignorance I can't even respond properly to your post. There's millions of witnesses worldwide and they know they won't be going to heaven as they don't fall into the 144,000 category. The aim/want is not to go to heaven but to live forever on a paradise earth.

Not every JW does ministry either so whatever point you're trying to prove really doesn't make much sense!

21dolly · 03/12/2021 22:24

Anyone that doesn't subscribe to the beliefs will be burnt in the second coming.

There's definitely no belief in any sort of burning or hell or anything of the sort. The belief is that those who have chosen to not be interested will just die and will not be resurrected to live on a paradise earth. That's all, no torture or burning happening at all

21dolly · 03/12/2021 22:26

@Newnamefor2021 your post is very detailed and I appreciate you willingness to have an open conversation on the topic. My response will be too long and I don't want to carry on taking over the OPs thread but I do agree that some people may not want to hear what JWs are saying either verbally or in written form. Everybody has free will and are able to make that choice

Holothane · 03/12/2021 22:28

Straight in the bin in our house.