Tustin and Hughes thread 2

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Continued from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer

Too true @AndreaC67. The money is there but the will is not. Shameful greedy fuckwits.

@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange

Can social workers visit accompanied by police if deemed necessary? Is that something that should be in place if it isn't?

I believe there is a strong cultural trend to empower parents to make the decisions they see right and fit for their children (no vaccinations, deferred entry to school, etc.) and that this is perversely contributing to situations like this one, where outside forces have lost a lot of their powers of intervention in cases where that parental empowerment turns into abuse.

I can't understand why the police didn't do more. A few years ago when my son was 3 he slipped out of the garden when his dad returned from work. He's non-verbal autistic so his dad and I went frantically searching for him. His dad flagged down a passing police car and told them what happened.
Luckily our neighbour found him in the cul-de-sac at the bottom of the street. At the same time the police arrived at the house, came in and took our names whilst we explained what had happened (I'd been making dinner and hadn't seen him go out of the gate).
The police left, then 2 minutes later they knocked back on the door. The policeman was very apologetic and said that he had to check where my son slept, and the contents of my fridge. He went upstairs, looked in his bedroom and then came back downstairs and looked in my fridge and freezer, then left.

Why on earth weren't those checks made for Arthur, when someone had actually rang them?

Those sentences were minimum terms, but the judge could have given her longer.
The judge could have given 40 years minimum, they had the power to do that.
Whatever they serve , the my should throw away the key.
I hope they spend the rest of their time in prison in fear, although I know they’ll be protect now.
Even Myra Hindley made friends in prison.

Heartbreaking case, how could another human being do that to a child?

Can social workers visit accompanied by police if deemed necessary? Is that something that should be in place if it isn't?

I'm not sure if they already can, but if not then I'd support it being implemented 100%

It seems to me we're becoming so pc that it's diluting the services and authorities out there who exist to protect children.

And it makes my blood boil to think police visited this household and wimped out because ET was 'aggressive' when she answered the door. That should have been a HUGE red flag to a person of authority when dealing with potential child abuse and the fact it wasn't shows how pathetic we've become at actual policing.

Re pp mentioning some "reform" if we don't kmow already to interview or "chat" to children alone yet, and look at the body etc if bruises then we have a far bigger problem on our hands.

My friend is an SW and visiting with police is an option.

Why on earth weren't those checks made for Arthur, when someone had actually rang them?

I’d imagine they did those checks. There was beds. There was food.
Just not for poor Arthur.

What I can’t get my head round is if you hate the child that much, why he didn’t dump him at one of the grand parents. Just give him up if he’s that unwanted.

It looks to me like Tustin has a bruise on the center of her forehead on her mugshot photo.

Apparently action will be taken if the services in question regarding Arthur's case are found to be at fault. Let's see eh.

Tustin bad zero emotional attachments or care towards Arthur from very early on in the short relationship, remember straight in with the bloody "thinking chair" and the longest punishments for disrespecting tustin

Even normal rounded loving individual's don't instantly form bonds with new partners children! It's very rare!

I'm glad this point was mentioned today, how could such an already vulnerable boy end up with a woman he barely knew, in nearly always her sole charge!

The papers are saying tustin is crying crocodile tears on the body cam footage. I disagree, she starts crying when she talks about Arthur's behaviour, trashing her house etc. I think she's genuinely crying, but only for herself.

I have a relative who has extreme anxiety over mess, tustin has admitted the same.
REMEMBER him picking off wall paper whilst doing his long hall way stints I bet that's her interpretation of trashing the house. My relative for instance broke down in tears when she found a stray pine needle two weeks after Xmas. Stuff like that, no one can bear to be around the person, things this extreme are just as damaging to children as addiction parents.

I think the very first few lines after any accident /assault are crucial. Nothing she says makes sense at all.
Most people picking up a child are doing it in a kind way so why this need for bear hugs and wrestling with him.

I don't recall anything in the trial report about why she had to shut the door... What the door had to do with it.

Unfortunately, I don't think tustin will be able to grasp what she's done yet I bet she still blames Arthur's.
I'd really like a trained person to go through it with her, so she can fully appreciate what she's done because she doesn't get it and will feel hard done by rather than feel deep remorse.

I’d imagine they did those checks. There was beds. There was food.
Just not for poor Arthur.

That's where an unscheduled visit, a chat alone with him with the parents outside, and a physical exam, would have shown them other indicators of the abuse.

What I can’t get my head round is if you hate the child that much, why he didn’t dump him at one of the grand parents. Just give him up if he’s that unwanted.

I suspect hoping to get a bigger council house was the reason for keeping him. That and the fact that Arthur wanted to go live at his Nans. She didn't want him to win

Evil, they were locked in war with Arthur or they thought they were.
It was all about Arthur's winning or loosing.
If he was allowed to go to the gp, that was perceived as Arthur winning. Someone said this is sociapathic?

I don't recall anything in the trial report about why she had to shut the door... What the door had to do with it.

It sounded to me like Arthur was trying to escape, she shut him in and murdered him. She knew if he got out and went to someone then there would be hell on.

How many times did she fall pregnant?? Just after she met him.
She's already trashed 5 human beings lives ie the children, and yet she's probably going to get out young enough to have more.

Yes Kurt I just don't remember this being drilled down in the trial reporting. I remember lots about the moments she left the living room and when the attack took place etc but nothing about Arthur at the door trying to escape.

That's where an unscheduled visit, a chat alone with him with the parents outside, and a physical exam, would have shown them other indicators of the abuse.

This should be the standard practice of SS visits from now on, otherwise all the talk of lessons learned is just bullshit to shut us up, once again.

When my foster son was removed the social worker was accompanied by the police.
Foster carers get ‘surprise’ visits from social workers. They look at the child’s bedroom and speak to the child alone.
After 10 years this still happens to us, I don’t mind, nothing to hide but I don’t know what they think we are going to do to his bedroom after 10 years!
They can also look around the house and check fridge and food cupboards.
Some of these parents are very good at manipulating people, inexperienced social workers and police will get the wool pulled over their eyes.
I’ve had Sw fresh out of uni visiting me, very few of them stand a chance.
Does anyone know how they found out that they had made Arthur stand in the hall and how they got the video of him in the house?

If she gets out she'll be at least 61, so hopefully way past menopause!

@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange

Is it pathetic policing, or is it fear of repercussions from a very parental rights-focussed worldview? We live in a culture of rights, entitlement, blame, threats and complaints - complaints that often lead to severe punishment. Until this shifts in a meaningful, lasting way, the people who are meant to protect our children won't be able to do their job properly. We need a major cultural shift in how we view our rights and responsibilities as parents. As well as, probably, a big increase in resources devoted to helping children and families.

@PleaseGoDontGoAgain

I can't stop wondering why she kept telling EVERYONE he had headbutted her? The 999 operator didn't need to know that. Was it to explain away a bruise she had or something?

I would actually assume it was true - that he probably had. Then she has latched onto that and tried to use it to her advantage to validate the rest of her story about his behaviour.

It may have been his only way to try to get her off him if he was being restrained in some way , the way she kept saying it did seem like she really wanted to use that to somehow validate her account

Does anyone know how they found out that they had made Arthur stand in the hall and how they got the video of him in the house?

Tustin had cctv set up in the house. The rest was via texts between the pair, I think. Honestly I've read so much about it I might've got that bit wrong, but I know they shared some awful things wrt punishing Arthur via text.

Re the supposed head butting, which is absolutely not possible from a child that weak etc, I think she's telling half the story.

Arthur was so weak and this "throwing himself" was pinned down as him actually collapsing from exhaustion. She classified that as the poor child chucking himself everywhere.

It seems to me he's opened the door and that's triggered her, she's grabbed him and got angry and hurt him.

So it's like she's saying... I grabbed him he head butted me so that's when I got nasty (and killed him) but she can't say that part because it's admitting her guilt.

@vickyp0llard

If she gets out she'll be at least 61, so hopefully way past menopause!

Her reproductive status is only one issue though - she targeted someone else child not her own - she needs to be kept away from ANY child

@vickyp0llard I think most people go into social work because they want to help people not because they want to be beaten up and abused.

@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange google some of the satanic sex abuse scandals from the 1980s and you'll see the other side of what can happen when social workers go removal happy.