Tustin and Hughes thread 2

[Bagelsandbrie]

Continued from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer

Any joy I might have felt at those two monsters being locked up was wiped out by seeing, yet again, "will be served concurrently". What a bloody pointless and pathetic way to punish someone. I believe it's also time now to push for forced sterilisation of people like this because as long as they can have children they will have children, even when they are taken away from them at the point of birth.

I wonder how all the people who suspected/saw something and said/did nothing are feeling now?

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

How long after the attack were ET and TH arrested?

Either that day later on or the next day. Very early on.

They were arrested the same day. The doctor said it was clear looking at him he'd been abused 😢

I think reading back they were arrested on the 17th June, which was the day his life support was switched off. He was fatally attacked on the 16th - which is day the cctv footage of her was taken.

Thanks @Bagelsandbrie. So the police knew pretty much straight away it was a suspicious death.

It says the 16th on Birmingham Mail.

@LizBennet

It says the 16th on Birmingham Mail.

Ah ha. I did wonder.

Yes they must have known things were suspicious almost immediately I should think.

The problem is that parents now have too many rights in this regard. If a school refers to SS then the parents have to be informed. If SS come round the parents have to be informed.

My DP was severely abused as a child to the extent he has a permanent disability. In his case he was taken for medical examination by SS, without his parents’ consent. Why has that been changed now?

IMO if someone has had children removed they should be sterilised and banned from living with other children ever again. And while I know that people will say “well they should have bodily autonomy,” yada yada yada I don’t care. If someone abuses a child to the extent they are removed from their care they shouldn’t get a second chance. And no, more children being removed after birth isn’t good enough. Those children should never be allowed to be conceived. It seems that abusers have more rights than victims. Even the right to create more victims, because a child removed from their parent at birth is also a victim even if they haven’t been abused.

There needs to be a law like Sarah’s law, where someone can chec if a perspective step parent/parent has had children removed in the past. It would in fact be far easier to gain this information than Sarah’s law because children being removed would be a matter of public record, unlike abusers who would only be flagged if they’d been convicted.

I’m just an idiot in an armchair but from the police cam footage it did seem like the police officer wasn’t really convinced by tustins story straight away. Maybe that’s just how they gather the facts by getting people to be really specific about details. Which is obviously sensible.

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

Thanks *@Bagelsandbrie*. So the police knew pretty much straight away it was a suspicious death.

I'd say it was a massive "Oh Shit" for them when they got called to that house. They'd been told umpteen times by different people of the abuse in that house. Shown photos of bruises on a child. They had visited but wimped out on actually going into the house because ET was 'aggressive' on the doorstep

So they fucking knew the moment they were called to the scene, who the fuck to arrest, because they'd been told months ago who was hurting that child.

@Porcupineintherough

Exactly. This is what I meant by "potential misuse". So we need to come up with a way that cannot easily be maliciously exploited. Perhaps it is in place already, and it involves going to the police. It sounds like in this case the police ignored some pretty big red flags.

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

I’m just an idiot in an armchair but from the police cam footage it did seem like the police officer wasn’t really convinced by tustins story straight away. Maybe that’s just how they gather the facts by getting people to be really specific about details. Which is obviously sensible.

I thought that too. She keeps asking her to repeat the story over and over. You can hear it in her voice that she thinks it’s all bullshit.

Agree it's just beyond belief that he was left in the care of someone who had already had her own dcs removed from her care and then concerns were raised by extended family about his welfare....and they still believed her and TH when they lied about where the bruising came from?

Someone said on the other thread that their house was immaculate and that meant they got away with more than otherwise and I bet that is partly true. I also think ET could put on a pretty face when she wanted.

Also don't ever want to hear "lessons will be learned" about this.

There needs to be a law like Sarah’s law, where someone can chec if a perspective step parent/parent has had children removed in the past.

I agree with you- however it wouldn’t have helped Arthur as his father was already abusing him and happy to have someone to do it with.

If you are easily intimidated by people then you shouldn’t be a SW.

Also, any normal parent - even IF their child had somehow managed to headbutt themselves into a coma (impossible but let's say it happened) - would be inconsolable, would be panicking, would be crying and asking after the child and their welfare. Not trying to make bizarre excuses for how the small child apparently beat up the entire household and pushed them down the stairs! At that point the police must have realised what they were dealing with.

I’m surprised she didn’t get a mandatory life sentence, but I guess in a way she’ll never be free.
I’d imagine as they get older and realise who she is that her children will want nothing to do with her.
The constant fear that even if she got a new identity as an old woman that she’d be recognised in the street, even with the door closed and lock the prickle off fear that she’s been found every time there’s a knock at the door or the phone rings. People won’t forget this.

Sorry I meant full life tarring

As I said on the other thread, growing up in the 80s people were genuinely worried about SS involvement because they did have powers to visit unannounced and could take children to be seen by HCP. I don't know for the life of me why those powers were removed, but they need reinstating, which extra muscle on their side during a visit if possible.

TARRIF!! Jesus my phone 😩

WITH extra muscle.. that should read!!

They had visited but wimped out on actually going into the house because ET was 'aggressive' on the doorstep

You would think that her being aggressive with police would have been an even bigger sign that they needed to get in and check on the child. If she is like that with police then what on earth is she like with a child? They should have insisted on a welfare check. Warrants exist for a reason. Police don’t get to wimp out. It’s not that sort fo job where you can pick and choose which jobs to investigate and which you don’t fancy taking on.

Yeah "he's battered his dad" was a highlight 🙄

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

They had visited but wimped out on actually going into the house because ET was 'aggressive' on the doorstep

You would think that her being aggressive with police would have been an even bigger sign that they needed to get in and check on the child. If she is like that with police then what on earth is she like with a child? They should have insisted on a welfare check. Warrants exist for a reason. Police don’t get to wimp out. It’s not that sort fo job where you can pick and choose which jobs to investigate and which you don’t fancy taking on.

Exactly. If the police are scared of these people what hope does a child have?

Surely if you choose to work in the police it is literally your job to deal with scary people like this? If you don't want to deal with horrible/intimidating members of the public then a career change might be in order....