Emma Tustin is a murderer

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Finally. We can say it.

I've just utterly broken down for Arthur.

@ThinWomansBrain

It's appalling - but two people were found guilty of his murder - why is your anger only directed at the woman?

I’m angry at both of them - he may only have been convicted of manslaughter - but they are both equally culpable.

I've forced myself to read these reports, and I'm sobbing for Arthur. How could ANYONE not love a 6-year-old? How could they do all the disgusting things they did? How could they think they would get away with it? what went through their minds?
Arthur so many people did love you and I for one, will never forget you. I didn't know you, but you have my love.

Bonne vaccannce OK wondering why the dad is even there? Where is Arthur?

You have to remember until about 30 mins, 40 prior to this they were still up to their eyes in this narrative all around how "awful" Arthur was.
So this was still the mindset, as if for instance the police would console them and be understanding of the issues they faced.

I think the reality and shock would start to kick in esp for dad when he tried to stand and hurt himself in the cell.

@GhostTypeEevee me too. We have a family member whose father, unbeknown to the rest of the family, was violently physically abusive to her, her siblings and her mother. One of the most heartbreaking things she said to me when it all came out when she was an adult was how happy she was when her cousins visited or they visited us, as they never got a beating on those days. I imagine Arthur's grandparents provided a fleeting respite for him of the worst of the abuse.

Arthur had no chance with those 3 as “parents”.
Let down by so, so many.

@immersivereader you are right.
When one of these awful cases happen it's social services who are put in the frame. But social workers aren't well-paid and have massively heavy caseloads involving multiple children (as sadly child neglect is all too common). Its a difficult and stressful job as you say. Why isn't it paid better?

Not only that but SW options are very limited in terms of actions to take;. They can remove a child, OK, but the main option is then foster care and there is a big shortage of foster carers (here in London anyway, not sure about rest of country).
I noticed in this case he wasn't at school for many weeks - (his school was open at that time) but that doesn't seem to have raised any suspicions apart from one phone call to check up on him. Police were assured it was being looked into so didn't keep the file open.

This case is especially heartbreaking as it seemed that he was happy at his grandmother's in the annexe; it was almost by chance that they were living with Tustin when lockdown started. The grandmother begged Hughes to let her have Arthur back - but he said no. Why?????
Whoever mentioned the hairdresser and husband, I agree. I think if more ordinary people had reported this it could have ended differently.

The cctv footage is really interesting, especially the part where Hughes walks off and Tustin almost stops mid sentence and stares after him. It’s like everything she was saying had been a show for him, what a caring wonderful person she was. Much like the incessant texting as soon as he left the house. Very manipulative behaviour.

I will never forget his story. My youngest boy is almost the same age and I can't imagine ever hurting him. It hurts me so much to know that there are children out there right now being viciously mistreated by their caregivers and nobody is noticing

The poor child didn't stand a chance - surrounded by 3 killers for parents.

I know exactly why these things happen. It is a chain of abuse. Emma Tustin more than likely didn't start out that fucked up. While she is shocking and disgusting, I would look at her life and see what her parents were like. What made her like that?

I am going to be really honest here. My mother was terribly abused.
She in turn extremely abused me and my brother. For 18 years. She was sadistic to us. I spent most of my childhood trying to rescue my brother from her.
I remember being a nice sweet little girl, but 18 years of cruel abuse from her has messed me up. It is important to look at what thi psychologically does to people.

As an adult, when I have been around children I have felt an urge to be cruel to them. Not because I want to hurt them, but I feel an urge to reenact behaviour that was done to me.

I am self aware enough that I have never acted on these thoughts. However I make sure that I am never alone with a child and I try to make sure that I am around children as little as possible as I am honestly afraid that I would lose control.

Abuse gets passed down. That is how these horrific stories occur. We need to look at child abuse as a huge problem. And we need to look at how to help children on a huge scale. Children do not have enough human rights

They are being sentenced tomorrow.

I couldn’t watch that video. My heart was breaking enough at the story.

I hope that little soul is now at peace.

And I hope that everyone who failed him never knows a minute of peace again.

What I wish for those two will get me banned again.

@Sparklingbrook

I didn't realise Tustin had 4 children of her own. Where were they?

Don't. This is getting worse the more I am reading 😩

I predict a statement from ss saying lessons have /will be learned...
THEY FAILED THAT BAIRN..

I just think that it is so easy to abuse children. They are weak and vulnerable. If an adult is feeling bad about themselves in any way, they are going to take it out on the weak child - so that they - the adult - feels more powerful and feels better about themselves.

Children do not have enough human rights. Parents are not checked on enough.
Children are not helped enough.
When the weaker people in our society are being abused on such a large scale - what can we do. We need to do more.

It's like when we talk about men abusing women. People say "not all men".

We are talking now about adults abusing children. We can say "not all adults", but all adults should be actively involved in helping to stop child abuse

The media reports that the Uncle wanted to go around to the house again to confront them and try and help Arthur when nobody would do anything, but the police threatened him with arrest under the Covid lockdown laws.

What does that say about policing priorities?!?

What chance did Arthur have. It's heartbreaking. Truly soul destroying.

@Mufasa1118

I just think that it is so easy to abuse children. They are weak and vulnerable. If an adult is feeling bad about themselves in any way, they are going to take it out on the weak child - so that they - the adult - feels more powerful and feels better about themselves.

Children do not have enough human rights. Parents are not checked on enough.
Children are not helped enough.
When the weaker people in our society are being abused on such a large scale - what can we do. We need to do more.

It's like when we talk about men abusing women. People say "not all men".

We are talking now about adults abusing children. We can say "not all adults", but all adults should be actively involved in helping to stop child abuse

100% this.

Mary perhaps but... She was living with him well before that, a few days a week when he lived with his parents. That's when the thinking step was introduced.

Absolutely shocking .Couldn’t listen to this on BBC news …why didn’t his own father protect him ? Am sickened .

@Somethingsnappy

Sorry if someone has already said it, but Tustin's barrister has said that she has received substantial threats and violence already and minimal medication for her mental health. It's reported in the Coventry Telegraph live feed. Also had salt thrown at her.

And?

This has upset me so deeply that I wish I hadn't have read about it. I feel sick to my stomach

DH said they were talking to the Grandmother (Olivia's Mum) on Sky News. She has a daughter in prison for killing their partner, and someone has murdered her Grandson. It really is indescribable.

That poor child my heart is hurting just thinking of what he went through

@Mufasa1118

I just think that it is so easy to abuse children. They are weak and vulnerable. If an adult is feeling bad about themselves in any way, they are going to take it out on the weak child - so that they - the adult - feels more powerful and feels better about themselves.

Children do not have enough human rights. Parents are not checked on enough.
Children are not helped enough.
When the weaker people in our society are being abused on such a large scale - what can we do. We need to do more.

It's like when we talk about men abusing women. People say "not all men".

We are talking now about adults abusing children. We can say "not all adults", but all adults should be actively involved in helping to stop child abuse

I totally agree with you.

I remember when lockdown was first announced there were lots of comments on MN concerned about vulnerable children and how this would put so many at much greater risk of abuse. It’s was an absolute gift to these two.