Emma Tustin is a murderer

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Finally. We can say it.

I've just utterly broken down for Arthur.

@snowballer

I read she’s refused to come up from the cells to be present for the sentencing. Coward to the end.

is she actually allowed to do that?

Tustin, like all bullies, will be a coward and will want special protection inside.
The post above that said Tustin was refusing to come out of her cell for sentencing, I can't find any news on that online, bit she would be marched in for sentencing, just as she marched poor Arthur about the miserable house she lived in.
I won't be surprised , either, if people take her side as someone did on here saying that she wasn't getting ''Meds'' she needed.
Tough! let the beast go without meds.

@Bagelsandbrie

Arthur Labinjo-Hughes: Dad and partner guilty over six-year-old's death www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59489765

The jury have been excused from further jury service for life. I feel incredibly sorry for those on the jury, it must have been horrendous.

I know I shouldn't bury my head In the sand about these horrors but I truly wish I hadn't just read that article. How can this happen in the world. .

I’m not sure they can force her to attend sentencing, can they?

@oakleaffy it’s here about her refusing to come out.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-murder-arthur-labinjo-hughes-21764057

onreeooh
I agree, some people are suggesting that if the SW are paid more this may have ended differently.
I said the pay doesn’t matter. By this I didn’t mean that they should be expected to work for nothing but these failures are down to more than wages.
I have met lots of people who would make excellent social workers but do not have the right qualifications. They have life experience, they are caring but also wouldn’t have the wool pulled over their eyes.
I have had Sw fresh out of uni who haven’t got a clue.
I also think that if money was thrown at wages it could attract the wrong sort of people.
Money needs to be spent on training, employing more social workers with a smaller case load.

@oakleaffy spot on! She’s a monster ...she needs to suffer what she did is too sickening for words...if there is any justice she’ll never see the light of day again !! The father is just as bad...

Birmingham Mail just reported that Tustin ''Has decided'' not to come up for sentencing..

Coward to the last.
Wonder if the weak 'Father' will also cringe away in his cell like the coward he too is.

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

I’m not sure they can force her to attend sentencing, can they?

I'm not certain. Either way, it doesn't matter. If she should or can be compelled to attend court then I'm sure the judge will do that if deemed necessary. If not then she'll be sentenced regardless.

Im still not sure why everyone is shocked at this case. Can anyone explain to me why they are shocked?

I know so many people who were severely abused as children. So many. I definitely never received any love, I was just shouted at all the time and I was used like a servant. I was made to stand for hours in a room. And I know lots of people who had even worse childhoods than me. I had a friend who was raped when she was 11 and who went on to kill herself. I know about 7 women who were sexually abused as children. I know so many people who had abusive mothers.

Look at all the threads on here that say "I hate children, I don't like being around children, I regret having a child.

Children are not cares about or respected on this earth. I think alot of people enjoy abusing children.
How to stop it? Well there needs to be money put into research on this in a big way.

@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange - I'm not excusing Hughes' involvement at all but I heard before the mother was sent to prison for murder, Arthur and Hughes lived in the garden in a building of a grandparent so presumably there wasn't the scale of abuse then which accelerated when Hughes met Tustin. I also heard that when Olivia (the mother) parented Arthur it appears as if she had no issues with him and he had a happy childhood with her.

Unfortunately, in some of cases of abuse where a new partner is introduced into a young child's life, it can be very easy for the new partner to abuse the child (happened in my/my DB's case first with verbal and then went onto physical smacking but also locking in rooms) by themselves and with the help of the parent - Fred and Rose West are ideal examples of this.

Agree @Lockheart. Her punishment will be the same regardless.

Oh jeez, they’re now saying she has been

• bullied in prison
• tried to take her own life during the trial by taking an overdose & hanging herself
• but she has been assessed by a Dr as fit to continue

-she will remain a suicide risk

My heart bleeds for her. NOT.

@oakleaffy

Tustin, like all bullies, will be a coward and will want special protection inside. The post above that said Tustin was refusing to come out of her cell for sentencing, I can't find any news on that online, bit she would be marched in for sentencing, just as she marched poor Arthur about the miserable house she lived in. I won't be surprised , either, if people take her side as someone did on here saying that she wasn't getting ''Meds'' she needed. Tough! let the beast go without meds.

You will be pleased (don't know why I'm saying this) but whilst she's been inside she has already been physically abused and also had salt thrown at her. You'd think prison officers would stop that but maybe not in her case.

@MaryStuart

Oh jeez, they’re now saying she has been

• bullied in prison
• tried to take her own life during the trial by taking an overdose & hanging herself
• but she has been assessed by a Dr as fit to continue

-she will remain a suicide risk

My heart bleeds for her. NOT.

Let's hope she isn't allowed to commit suicide like that other coward Fred West.

Look at all the threads on here that say "I hate children, I don't like being around children, I regret having a child.

In fairness, a lot of those people choose to remain childfree. Some people can't help being irritated by them and not wanting to be around them, but the best thing you can do in that scenario is not to have them. Children need love and to be put ahead of your own needs - not everyone can provide that, and there's no shame in saying it's not for you. I think choosing to have children should be a much bigger decision that "I felt like it" or "everyone does it". Unless you can give them your love, time and resources, you shouldn't have them. Sadly, while we can demand a good home and extensive parenting classes from potential adopters, there are no barriers to becoming a parent (or step-parent!).

You can just bet she'll end up with special protection when she's inside. I'd throw her in gen pop if it was up to me.

I see the people on this thread calling Emma Tustin a monster.

What all about all the women you see here on mumsnet saying

• I hate children
• I regret having children

-i hate being a mother

• I hate being a stepmother.

There are SO many threads like that on here. And those women are usually given sympathy on here like "oh yes being a mum is hard". People on here usually focus on how the adult feels, no thought at all is given to how the child feels.

The adults needs and wants are thought of first, you see that all over mumsnet.

I've seen so many absolutely disgusting "I hate being a stepmother threads on here" where the women talk totally about their own feelings and talk about their stepchildren like they are a piece of shit.

Emma Tustin was a stepmother . Taking out the murder. What is the difference between her actions, and the women on here on mumsnet saying they hate their stepchildren? Isn't that abuse ?

@MaryStuart

Oh jeez, they’re now saying she has been

• bullied in prison
• tried to take her own life during the trial by taking an overdose & hanging herself
• but she has been assessed by a Dr as fit to continue

-she will remain a suicide risk

My heart bleeds for her. NOT.

Not a single thing of those would have happened if she allowed a six year old basic care. She didn't even have to provide it. She literally just had to give him back to his Nan.

It's all on her. Every single bit of consequence is due to her actions alone. If she's scared, bullied, suicidal, it's all on her and her alone.

So fuck her.

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange
Yes, there are no words to describe their behaviour but if Sw were involved they should have made them take him to school.
I understand this would have been hard but a phone call to the school to check if he was in would take 5 minutes.
My foster sons LA education dept check if their Children are in every day. He has 100% attendance one day they mistakenly didn’t mark him in , social worker was on the phone to me by 9.30.
He came into care aged 4 when he started school. The family had been under Ss since before he was born but only removed when school aired their concerns.

[quote ilovebrie8]@oakleaffy spot on! She’s a monster ...she needs to suffer what she did is too sickening for words...if there is any justice she’ll never see the light of day again !! The father is just as bad...[/quote]
Agreed. I'm normally not given to violent thoughts, but I will not be sorry to hear of Tustin and Hughes getting their just desserts.

Tustin is clearly of the evil type of woman that tormented Jewish people in the Death Camps.
Ironically the Survivors said the women were worse than the men.

When a woman 'Goes bad' it seems that they have a greater capacity for cruelty than even men.

My son said 'What are the chances of two really cruel sadistic people getting together like that?'

Tustin and Hughes.

@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange

You can just bet she'll end up with special protection when she's inside. I'd throw her in gen pop if it was up to me.

I used to know a wife of a prison officer (through work) and a friend of a friend who got a job as a prison officer.

Naturally you don't speak to them that much about their jobs/work due to confidentiality etc and I suppose they have to remain neutral. But let's hope who's assigned to her let's the reins slip around her so she can get what's coming to her.

@oakleaffy - Fred and Rose West, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady. The list goes on.

I agree that I find it bonkers when people say "I find children annoying, I need my own space, my hobbies are really important to me" but then have kids anyway just because their partner wanted one.

I also find it strange that people talk about having children in terms of how much fulfillment it gave THEM and how much joy it brought THEM. Nevermind if the child has MH difficulties, is bullied at school, hates their job or goes through much of adulthood wishing they didn't have to get up every morning. Instead of thinking "will having children make me happy", we have to think "would I be able to give a child a happy life and make a happy adult? Is life on this planet that bloody great that we need to put more people on it?". But I digress.

@Mufasa1118 I never offer sympathy to a step mum on MN (and I am one!). My basic response is that if they're unhappy at being a step mum then to get out of their partners life and their step kids lives before they do any damage. I know I'm not the only one on here who says that, which is why MN has a tendency for the whole 'everyone hates step mums' thing. I don't hate step mums, I hate anyone who's awful to kids, period.