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Emma Tustin is a murderer

999 replies

DueyCheatemAndHow · 02/12/2021 16:18

Finally. We can say it.

I've just utterly broken down for Arthur.

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snowballer · 03/12/2021 12:14

I read she’s refused to come up from the cells to be present for the sentencing. Coward to the end.

bluebellYellow · 03/12/2021 12:15

@snowballer

I read she’s refused to come up from the cells to be present for the sentencing. Coward to the end.
Absolutely!
prettypinkflamingo · 03/12/2021 12:16

Spineless cowardly murdering bitch...how dare she refuse to come into the dock!

Bagelsandbrie · 03/12/2021 12:19

@snowballer

I read she’s refused to come up from the cells to be present for the sentencing. Coward to the end.
Disgusting. She should be made to come up.
SueSaid · 03/12/2021 12:20

'Whilst there were people on here panicking about touching fence posts and eating crisps on a bench, I was dealing with a 10yo boy who'd jumped out a first floor window to escape his Mums abuse breaking both his legs.'

That is obviously horrific but in a pandemic the restrictions and school closures were necessary. Vulnerable children should of course still have been closely monitored by ss. We know abusers lie so why do some social workers seem to fall for it? Surely removing from those 'caring' for the dc and giving them an independent check over with the chance to ask them questions away from an abusive parent would be common sense.

user1471543094 · 03/12/2021 12:20

Totally agree re lockdown playing a part. The two of them might not even have moved in together had they not been "forced" into it...school would have picked up more....that feeling that you were in your own bubble - societal norms were out the window...authorities distracted. How many other kids were on the brink.

I feel for social workers, I really do. An extremely hard job. But to have had multiple reportings - all from different family members of the two perpetrators - there's just no excuse for not delving deeper.

name528 · 03/12/2021 12:21

48hrs is long enough for a medical examination.

prettypinkflamingo · 03/12/2021 12:22

@snowballer

I read she’s refused to come up from the cells to be present for the sentencing. Coward to the end.
They should drag her up there. She should not be allowed to sit this out. She's vile.
Dontgetyerknicksinatwist · 03/12/2021 12:26

This has to be the catalyst for change to save other children from the same fate. Can anyone who works in social services shed any light on what’s gone wrong here and how he slipped through the net. Is it lack of funding? Lack of people wanting to go into social services as a career? Communication problems between different organisations such as police, SS schools and other local services such as GPS? Something must happen so that this dear little boy didn’t die in vain.

Justice for Arthur!

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 03/12/2021 12:27

That is obviously horrific but in a pandemic the restrictions and school closures were necessary.

I'll never EVER agree with this statement. Not even sorry.

MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 03/12/2021 12:27

Because they missed something - something that the perpetrators, cunning, devious bastards - did their best to cover up?

It really was more than that though wasn’t it? They didn’t “miss something”, the failed to look. They didn’t even ask to see the child’s back where the bruises were, the bruises that were photographed the day before and showed exactly where they were and how severe they were. That’s not a mistake- that’s way beyond that.

Drinkingallthewine · 03/12/2021 12:27

They should drag her up there. She should not be allowed to sit this out. She's vile.

Why aren't they dragging her up there? For fucks sake.
She should face the court. Face the people who loved Arthur. Face the press.

She should not get to hide from this.

onreeooh · 03/12/2021 12:29

@vickyp0llard

I genuinely think the social workers involved in this case should be charged with failing to carry out their duties correctly and failure to protect a child. Losing their jobs - if that has happened, who knows- isn’t enough.

Because that would really encourage more people to go into social work.....

If there's clear negligence of course they should be punished. It's not just enough for anyone to join, they need to be good at their job and dedicated because otherwise children will die

"Lessons will be learned" is spouted every single year and the same thing happens because people can't be bothered to follow up - and I've dealt with social workers like this myself who just can't be asked

Cassimin · 03/12/2021 12:31

Schools were mostly open for vulnerable children and the children of key workers.
My foster son attended 2 days per week as he needs routine in his life.
If there was any suspicion of abuse or neglect he should have been attending school.
This is where most signs are picked up.

Bagelsandbrie · 03/12/2021 12:33

@Drinkingallthewine

They should drag her up there. She should not be allowed to sit this out. She's vile.

Why aren't they dragging her up there? For fucks sake.
She should face the court. Face the people who loved Arthur. Face the press.

She should not get to hide from this.

I’m so full of rage about this. Yes she should be made to face everyone.
snowballer · 03/12/2021 12:34

@Cassimin

Schools were mostly open for vulnerable children and the children of key workers. My foster son attended 2 days per week as he needs routine in his life. If there was any suspicion of abuse or neglect he should have been attending school. This is where most signs are picked up.
But the irony was that in many cases the children who were most vulnerable were the least likely to be sent to school. Schools had no ability to make parents send them in or go and collect them.
MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 03/12/2021 12:34

@Cassimin

Schools were mostly open for vulnerable children and the children of key workers. My foster son attended 2 days per week as he needs routine in his life. If there was any suspicion of abuse or neglect he should have been attending school. This is where most signs are picked up.
Yes it was open for vulnerable children but it couldn’t be forced, people were allowed to keep their vulnerable children at home. And those that wanted to neglect/abuse their children did because it made it easier to hide.
SweetJasmine17 · 03/12/2021 12:34

[quote KurtWildesChristmasNamechange]@DaphneDeloresMoorhead I'd be fine with that. Because I have absolutely nothing to hide. My DC are well looked after, safe and happy. If a couple of rough nights for us meant some child somewhere who actually WAS in danger ended up being taken the safety then yeah, go for it. I'd be more concerned by someone who said they weren't ok with that tbh.

My neighbour was a foster carer 20 years ago. I can't go into details but she took 2 very badly abused and neglected children in, a toddler and a newborn. She cried every time she had to take those poor kids to the contact centre as the toddler always regressed when he came back. The plan was they would be returned to their parents despite the catalogue of abuse. She lobbied SS constantly as the toddler was clearly highly distressed when he was in the presence of his parents and for a few days after. But she was told they would try to keep the family together, it would just take some time.

The only reason that didn't happen was because the parents fractured the 8 week olds leg whilst at the contact centre.

Whilst we STILL try and put clearly vulnerable children back with negligent and abusive parents, whilst we STILL put the right of the parents above the rights of the children, cases like this will continue to happen. And all the 'lessons learned' bullshit will be rolled out again and again.

In my neighbours case, the happy ending is that she was able to apply to adopt them both, and they're lovely, well adjusted young adults now. The outcome could've been very different. [/quote]

I'm glad they were adopted! Hope the kids are doing alright now

ToykotoLosAngeles · 03/12/2021 12:35

@Drinkingallthewine

They should drag her up there. She should not be allowed to sit this out. She's vile.

Why aren't they dragging her up there? For fucks sake.
She should face the court. Face the people who loved Arthur. Face the press.

She should not get to hide from this.

Absolutely. She should be forced to watch the victim impact statements on video loop.
Lockheart · 03/12/2021 12:36

@Drinkingallthewine

They should drag her up there. She should not be allowed to sit this out. She's vile.

Why aren't they dragging her up there? For fucks sake.
She should face the court. Face the people who loved Arthur. Face the press.

She should not get to hide from this.

She should face those the court deems it appropriate for her to face. If they sentence her in her absence, so be it.

She will be punished. There is no need to turn this into a circus with a baying mob.

Barney60 · 03/12/2021 12:36

I cant watch /read this case, upsets me too much.
I have just read her solicitors are complaining about salt being thrown at her whilst she was in care awaiting sentence.
I think she will be getting a lot more than salt thrown at her soon!

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 03/12/2021 12:37

They should drag her up there. She should not be allowed to sit this out. She's vile.

Hiding like the coward she clearly is. I'd be dragging her there by her hair if I had to. Let her face her fate. We've allowed people like this to thrive because of how soft we are in this country. Lockdown has a lot to answer for too. Arthur is - in part - a victim of being imprisoned with his tormentors. If nothing else his death should be a lesson that you cannot cut children off from their extended family, from other influential adults, and their educational outlet without consequences.

Malibuismysecrethome · 03/12/2021 12:37

She’s still controlling the narrative. I’m sure the Judge has the power to ensure her presence.

ElleGettingBetter · 03/12/2021 12:38

@name528

48hrs is long enough for a medical examination.
You would think so wouldn’t you?

So that’s the medical examination done. You then wait for the doctors report, the police report, the social worker report and authorisation of an emergency court hearing. And if you’re really lucky it all comes together.

But who is looking after the rest of the social worker case load over those 48 hours when they have to focus all their time on this particular case before the clock stops ticking? Those other children being abused? Beaten? Raped?

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 03/12/2021 12:39

@Cassimin

Schools were mostly open for vulnerable children and the children of key workers. My foster son attended 2 days per week as he needs routine in his life. If there was any suspicion of abuse or neglect he should have been attending school. This is where most signs are picked up.
They were enjoying having him at their mercy, obviously if they sent him to school what they were to to would've been evident and they'd have been taken to task - hopefully! Is it any surprise they didn't send him in??