Emma Tustin is a murderer

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Finally. We can say it.

I've just utterly broken down for Arthur.

'Loving grandparents' don't raise children who grow up to be adults like this. These situations are always so much more complex than that.

So not only has she ended poor Arthur's life, she's ruined her 2 younger children's lives as they have lost their mum.

Yes she has ruined their lives by traumatising them witnessing such horrific cruelty. But losing their mother and being removed from her care is the best thing that has ever happened to them.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if she were to end up as cellmates with the biological mother.

She never will. For obvious reasons.

This story is so upsetting. Clearly they are not human as no human would have done what they did. Prison is too good for them.

When I first heard about this little boy, my first thought was, I so wish i could've scooped him up, held him tight and told him he was loved.
I can't even begin to think what he thought.. Can't bring myself to watch that video of him.
No child anywhere in the world should feel unloved.
I sincerely hope ET has many failed suicide attempts and rots in her prison cell.

@Bagelsandbrie

I really, really hope they watch these two very closely and they aren’t able to take their own lives.

Why not? I cetainly don't want to be keeping them for the next thirty years or whatever trivial sentence they get.

@October2020

'Loving grandparents' don't raise children who grow up to be adults like this. These situations are always so much more complex than that.

That is such an awful thing to say. Some people are born psychopaths. Some people develop mental illness spontaneously. Not everyone who is abusive had an abusive upbringing. Just like many of us who did have an abusive upbringing are even more loving and protective parents as a result.

@Lockheart

It's an educational read, this thread.

Abuse is sadly a very difficult cycle to break. The odds suggest that, if poor Arthur had grown up and had children himself, he would not be of a dissimilar mould to his parents. And then the posters on here wishing death and torture on his parents could wish it on him instead.

Food for thought, in an extremely sad case.

I disagree . Many abused children look back on their childhoods and want to be nothing like their abusers . They have been hurt and know how that feels .Not every murderer was an abused child .Tustin and Hughes seem of low intelligence , can inflict pain without feeling remorse - true sadistic enjoyment of torturing someone who wasn't able to fight back .Exactly like Brady and Hindley who were the epitome of evil in human form .

My DH and I were blessed to have adopted 5 children who had suffered unbelievable levels of abuse in their very early years, and though will always have emotional scars have grown into wonderfully kind and compassionate adults. As they reached adulthood we decided to become foster carers and have spent the past ten years looking after young people, several of whom remain part of our family when reaching adulthood themselves.

However, we have noticed such a change in children's services over the years. We see young, compassionate social workers who care deeply for the children and want to make a positive difference, but sadly they gradually become box tickers and spend less and less of their time supporting the actual children in their care. Many, many have resigned and gone onto to other caring jobs, and sadly very often the ones who remain are the ones for whom box ticking suits. It is so sad for us to see that many social workers and certainly their seniors do not regard the children as the priority. I have also found that the reality of the past decade is the actual children have less and less rights, because the biological parents from whom they have been removed MUST have their rights met. I have witnessed so many of the children suffer emotionally from contact with their biological parents, but it still has to continue. I did not realise how hard my DH and I would have to fight to get the needs of the actual children met, and of course that makes us less than popular with the local authority. When our latest children reach adulthood we will resign as carers, simply because we cannot cope with the system any more and being labelled the bad guys for wanting to put the children first. In the meantime we know that if we do not advocate for the children we have now, no-one else will. It shouldn't have to be like this.

@Lockheart

It's an educational read, this thread.

Abuse is sadly a very difficult cycle to break. The odds suggest that, if poor Arthur had grown up and had children himself, he would not be of a dissimilar mould to his parents. And then the posters on here wishing death and torture on his parents could wish it on him instead.

Food for thought, in an extremely sad case.

'between 30% and 40% of people who are abused as children go on to become abusers themselves.'

Your odds are wrong. As a survivor of childhood abuse, please don't spread misinformation like this.

It's statistically more likely that victims of childhood abuse will become victims of domestic abuse as adults (51%).

RIP Arthur.

@October2020

'Loving grandparents' don't raise children who grow up to be adults like this. These situations are always so much more complex than that.

I think that’s unfair.

Many serial killers and abusive people have perfectly good parents and very normal childhoods. It’s not always down to how someone is raised. Sometimes yes, but not always. By all accounts the Hughes family are decent, hardworking and loving people - apart from “him”.

@coatofsomanycolours

My DH and I were blessed to have adopted 5 children who had suffered unbelievable levels of abuse in their very early years, and though will always have emotional scars have grown into wonderfully kind and compassionate adults. As they reached adulthood we decided to become foster carers and have spent the past ten years looking after young people, several of whom remain part of our family when reaching adulthood themselves.

However, we have noticed such a change in children's services over the years. We see young, compassionate social workers who care deeply for the children and want to make a positive difference, but sadly they gradually become box tickers and spend less and less of their time supporting the actual children in their care. Many, many have resigned and gone onto to other caring jobs, and sadly very often the ones who remain are the ones for whom box ticking suits. It is so sad for us to see that many social workers and certainly their seniors do not regard the children as the priority. I have also found that the reality of the past decade is the actual children have less and less rights, because the biological parents from whom they have been removed MUST have their rights met. I have witnessed so many of the children suffer emotionally from contact with their biological parents, but it still has to continue. I did not realise how hard my DH and I would have to fight to get the needs of the actual children met, and of course that makes us less than popular with the local authority. When our latest children reach adulthood we will resign as carers, simply because we cannot cope with the system any more and being labelled the bad guys for wanting to put the children first. In the meantime we know that if we do not advocate for the children we have now, no-one else will. It shouldn't have to be like this.

Those children are all so very lucky to have you in their lives. You sound like absolutely wonderful people and I'm sorry that the system has made it even more difficult for you to give children your love, who were so in need of it. I wish you had adopted me!

@Bluntness100

I have to be honest, I sincerely hope both these people are horrifically tortured in prison every single day for the rest of their lives.

Every single day I want someone to feed them salt, starve them, make them stand for hours on end, beat them, abuse them, mock them, make them sleep on the cold floor, video them and let’s us all see. Every single day I want the other prisoners to do that to them, for the rest of their lives.

Just like they did every single day to that little boy. And I want them to live till a ripe old age in prison, taking that daily torture they inflicted, and then die a cold horrible lonely death as people video them and mock them like that little boy died.

It’s the only justice.

This. Absolutely this. 🙌🏼

A bet sad case, very similar to the Daniel Pelka case.
Daniels mum and stelngather both got substantial prison sentences and ironically both of them committed suicide whilst in prison.
I would guess that Tustin will receive a life sentence with a minimum term of 25 years imprisonment.
Hughes with manslaughter, will rpbabley get 18-20 years as a guess.
They should throw away the key with these two.

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry that's good to know. Thanks for the information

Yes Ted Bundy's mother seemed very normal and kind.

Some people just choose the evil path, no matter what their upbringing was like

I Can't believe her saying "I shut the door" and the testimony from her cell mate weren't joined together. She said/shouted at her cell mate that he was trying to escape.
Sounds to me like he did, she's flipped, wrestled with him, attacked him and that was the trigger why else would the front door be open and her showing cops his head was hit right by the door??

The cell mate said she said he was trying to get out.

**Sorry if someone has already said it, but Tustin's barrister has said that she has received substantial threats and violence already and minimal medication for her mental health. It's reported in the Coventry Telegraph live feed. Also had salt thrown at her.

Ah bless her. Shame she didn’t think about Arthur’s mental and physical health when she abused and killed him.

I know defence lawyers have a job to do, but representing pieces of shit like this must be difficult..

There are reports that she has already been attacked by fellow inmates. The first of many I hope.

Wickedness beyond belief.

I don't want her killed out commit suicide I want her to live incarcerated like she made Arthur do

Another service that needs better funding.

@immersivereader how exactly would better funding have helped in this case though? Social services were well aware that concerns had been raised. They clearly had the resources to visit Arthur and did so, and yet still nothing was done. If resources were so depleted that no one had the time to visit then I would see your point, but I can’t see how more money would have made a difference in this instance.

The funding for social services could be tripled but that wouldn't change the core problem of its ethos being all wrong. It's all about the parents and keeping families together and not about the best interests of the child. I know so many teachers who've repeatedly reported child abuse but nothing ever happens because the social workers talk to the parents first and take their word for it. I know people who've worked in children's homes where the children are scared stiff of contact with their parents but are forced into it by social workers who tell them they have to maintain the relationship. I know medical professionals who've had to watch newborns go home with junkies and alcoholics and violent career criminals because the baby might be that person's second (or third or fourth or fifth) chance in life (never mind that the baby is doomed). You can throw all the money in the world at social services but until they start putting children before adults or family cohesion, and are prepared to remove children before the damage is done, then nothing will change.

I hope she lives a miserable life in prison.
I hope she’s despised and hated by everyone she knows and they all turn their backs on on her.

I’m going back a few years now but I once picked up my children from school

On the way out my son (aged about 8) said something cheeky and I laughed and said something along the lines of ‘oh little honky,I’ll spank your bum with a red hot poker!’

We laughed-no fear at all-he knew I was joking

The next day,I had a social worker and the police at my door

They wanted the ‘red hot poker’ (which didn’t exist) and where going into school to speak to my 3 children that where there and again to my other childrens schools to speak to them

The police (rightly) took my house apart and found nothing of interest that could have been used to hurt my children (apart from my toolbox which was so far out of reach,even I couldn’t reach it-I used to ask my dad to get it down for me then to put it back again)

All 6 told them that I never hit,beat,staved or abused them in anyway but my youngest told them I’d stood on her toe about a week earlier (I had-she’d walked out behind me and I’d caught her big toe through her slipper)

Well!they went to town on me-I was abusing them,I had to go to a shit ton of meetings,I had ss every week,my every move was watched,parenting courses etc

Nothing came of it in the end-if I had to go through that then why the hell didn’t they do the same with this child,the other children and the ones I keep reporting?

I reported this abusive woman for threatening to throw boiling water over her dd-the crime?

She wanted to go to uni then find a job when she got older

Fuck all was done-they didn’t even come out/speak to the child who had told a teacher but teacher didn’t report it as the child later claimed to have lied because she was scared

It really does depend on how bloody bored they are that day

(I learnt the hard way not to crack jokes while in the company of my children-they all knew full well I didn’t own a red hot poker and even if I did I would never have used it)

SPOT CHECKS.

No pre arranged visits.
Huge burly intimidating task force to be acompanying sw's. Children should be taken off premises to be questioned

Sorry but these abusers run rings round soft left winged individuals. Thats not an insult just the wrong people are trying to fight some of the worst in society.

If there are enough calls from different individuals certain procedures should be put in place. Honestly they are just scared of the people they have to deal with, understandably. but really they are not strong enough for such an important role.

The element of surprise should always be used.