Page 20 | Emma Tustin is a murderer

DueyCheatemAndHow · 2021-12-02T16:18:46+00:00

Finally. We can say it. I've just utterly broken down for Arthur.

Naughtynovembertree · 02/12/2021 22:24

Apple apparently it was his first time out in the garden and they were probably nice to him that day.

If the sw had properly chatted to Arthur, alone.. Properly I'm sure the bigger picture would emerge in chat.

Bagelsandbrie · 02/12/2021 22:26

@Naughtynovembertree

Apple apparently it was his first time out in the garden and they were probably nice to him that day.

If the sw had properly chatted to Arthur, alone.. Properly I'm sure the bigger picture would emerge in chat.

Exactly. Children live very much “in the moment”. Arthur probably thought his “punishment” was over, he was allowed out to play, he was having a wonderful day in his eyes. Maybe things would be different from now on…? Children are full of hope. They never stop hoping things will be better.

lollipoprainbow · 02/12/2021 22:27

@Naughtynovembertree agree, they were clearly fobbed off by the parents and too shit scared to examine Arthur properly. Until things change and we have tougher sw's and police nothing will change.

FrenchBoule · 02/12/2021 22:27

Such creatures (I’m not even going to call them people)should be at least sterilised or euthanised altogether.

Poor,poor Arthur. RIP you sweet boy 💐

ThousandsOfTulips · 02/12/2021 22:28

@Mufasa1118

Emma Tustin is pretty isn't she. The father was obviously thinking with his dick.

No, she is hideous. The evil seeps out of her eyes.

JudgeJ · 02/12/2021 22:29

@Bagelsandbrie

Lockdown played a huge part in this. Too easy for social services, and Hughes and Tustin to make excuses.

Sadly their have always been monsters like this, I recall seeing my mother sitting sobbing when they'd broadcast some of the Hindley/Brady tapes. By saying that lockdown played a huge part is is almost giving them an excuse.

Mufasa1118 · 02/12/2021 22:30

It is very hard for a child to tell social services what is going on. I don't think children should even be interviewed in these cases. They are children.

I know if social services asked me when I was a child was my mum abusing me, I would have said no, even though she was.

I would have said no because I was afraid of her
And also because she was the only guardian I had ever known.

They shouldn't ask the child if the child is ok as the child will nearly always be too scared to say

Social services should instead look for bruises, and listen to concerns of the adults that reported the abuse

ThousandsOfTulips · 02/12/2021 22:30

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

Why would anyone stay with a new partner who disliked their child this much

It never ceases to amaze me how often we see it on MN. People put sex/relationship above their duty to their child.

It's despicable but so many people do.

That poor boy. I shall be thinking of him for a long time.

Rubytoos · 02/12/2021 22:31

@Bluntness100

I have to be honest, I sincerely hope both these people are horrifically tortured in prison every single day for the rest of their lives.

Every single day I want someone to feed them salt, starve them, make them stand for hours on end, beat them, abuse them, mock them, make them sleep on the cold floor, video them and let’s us all see. Every single day I want the other prisoners to do that to them, for the rest of their lives.

Just like they did every single day to that little boy. And I want them to live till a ripe old age in prison, taking that daily torture they inflicted, and then die a cold horrible lonely death as people video them and mock them like that little boy died.

It’s the only justice.

This is what I said earlier to my mum who spent many years in the judiciary. She said she will get beaten up by the other prisoners so often she will probably end up in segregation. Wouldn’t it be ironic if she were to end up as cellmates with the biological mother.

KisstheTeapot14 · 02/12/2021 22:32

@amatsip

Arthur you are loved x

Totally.

claire20585 · 02/12/2021 22:33

Her eldest son was in my daughters class. Him and his brother had been removed and placed in their dad's custody. She kept turning up at school trying to get them so dad moved them to a new school. Then her boyfriend at the time tried to leave her as well, so she jumped from the 6 floor of the car park at the local shopping centre.

Chattercino · 02/12/2021 22:34

Absolutely heartbreaking 💔

PleaseGoDontGoAgain · 02/12/2021 22:34

@Mufasa1118

If two children were taken off her because she was mentally ill, why would they let another child be in her care. Especially if social services were then called on her about the last child!

Surely social services can be sued for those failings alone.

No. She attempted suicide they removed her children. She appeared capable of looking after her next two children.

Remember that Olivia would have been written off as violent, drunk and a terrible thing to happen to a child, anyone would seem better than her.

Olivia was described as having no self worth (despite a uni education) and there were known incidences of Arthur being terrified by the domestic abuse he witnessed between her and Thomas.

Thomas was still coming round to sleep with her while she was with Cunningham. She had aready stabbed him once in front of Arthur, Thomas apparently didn't give a shit what Arthur had seen.

But then her having stabbed a man to death would have negated any concerns about Thomas and DV and laid the blame at Olivias feet.

He's got away with something really nasty because Olivia was fucked up enough to stab a man. But he was still sleeping with her.

SS were likely trying to do right by focusing on Olivias impact on Arthur, his concerns that his dad would kll him - his mum had killed someone. his concern that dad would abandon him - his mum vanished overnight. His 'difficult' behaviour - his mum was a violent drunk who stabbed someone so he was copying what he knew.

ET is not where the focus would have been. She would have seemed like the nice one

Mufasa1118 · 02/12/2021 22:35

So she had 2 children taken off her
And tried to kill herself - obviously had bad mental health issues.

Why would ss let another child be in her care!!!
Honestly if I was his grandmother I would sue social services

JudgeJ · 02/12/2021 22:38

@lollipoprainbow

“We need well funded public services, we haven't got these, so the vulnerable pay the price.”

Crap nothing to do with funding more to do with wishy washy totally incompetent social workers. All the money in the world won't change that.

We also need to rid ourselves of the principle that the family unit should be kept together whenever possible and the SW should have the right to speak to children they suspect are being abused without the parents or whatever present.

MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 02/12/2021 22:39

So not only has she ended poor Arthur's life, she's ruined her 2 younger children's lives as they have lost their mum.

Apparently women were throwing salt at her when she was on remand.
I hope she has to be isolated for safety for the whole of her sentence.

Sharletonz · 02/12/2021 22:39

I honestly can't believe how many times social care were alarmed by different family members and they consistently said there were no concerns. I strongly believe in these types of cases where children like Arthur are so very badly failed, the local authority needs to go on trial too.

Mufasa1118 · 02/12/2021 22:39

@PleaseGoDontGoAgain yes but social services were called , reporting bruises on Arthur while he was in Emma Tustin's care. So she can't have seemed like the nice one.

I'm just saying if social services were called reporting bruises on Arthur's back, and then SS do a quick check and see that:
She had two children taken off her,
Also had bad mental health issues,

They should have removed Arthur from her.

Yes his bio mum was also not an option but that doesn't mean he has to stay with his dad either.

Arthur should have been put into a foster home

MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 02/12/2021 22:39

One thing I’ve always known Social services to ask is to see where the children are sleeping, that they have appropriate places to sleep with clean bedding etc. If they had asked Arthur to show them where he slept and he told them the living room floor without even a mattress would they have been concerned? Doesn’t sound like it.

Lussekatt · 02/12/2021 22:40

There are literally millions of people in the world that would have taken this child in and loved him like their own had they known what he was being put through.
Why did they choose to keep a child they clearly hated so much? I just don't understand it.

For once, I do agree with Bluntness. They need the same treatment they gave him and worse, every day for the rest of their lives.

kokokokokokokokoko · 02/12/2021 22:40

for Arthur. heartbreaking.

JudgeJ · 02/12/2021 22:42

@Roselilly36

Heartbreaking, that poor little boy, another child let down by the system.

He was let down first and foremost by his father and the piece he was with.

ThousandsOfTulips · 02/12/2021 22:43

[quote Mufasa1118]@PleaseGoDontGoAgain yes but social services were called , reporting bruises on Arthur while he was in Emma Tustin's care. So she can't have seemed like the nice one.

I'm just saying if social services were called reporting bruises on Arthur's back, and then SS do a quick check and see that:
She had two children taken off her,
Also had bad mental health issues,

They should have removed Arthur from her.

Yes his bio mum was also not an option but that doesn't mean he has to stay with his dad either.

Arthur should have been put into a foster home[/quote]
He had loving grandparents more than willing to care for him, begging to have him back to live with them.

It wasn't a tough call for SS to make. No need for him to go into care.

MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 02/12/2021 22:44

@Mufasa1118

It is very hard for a child to tell social services what is going on. I don't think children should even be interviewed in these cases. They are children.

I know if social services asked me when I was a child was my mum abusing me, I would have said no, even though she was.

I would have said no because I was afraid of her
And also because she was the only guardian I had ever known.

They shouldn't ask the child if the child is ok as the child will nearly always be too scared to say

Social services should instead look for bruises, and listen to concerns of the adults that reported the abuse

They don’t ask a child outright if they’re being abused, for the reasons you state, they ask other questions that aren’t obvious to the child that they are being questioned. Things like who their friends are, “tell me about your friends, what are their names? And do your friends come over to play? Why not? Does mummy have friends over?” And loads of other non confrontational questions that give away bits of information that the child doesn’t realise is useful.

JudgeJ · 02/12/2021 22:44

@Somethingsnappy

Sorry if someone has already said it, but Tustin's barrister has said that she has received substantial threats and violence already and minimal medication for her mental health. It's reported in the Coventry Telegraph live feed. Also had salt thrown at her.

Sod her mental health.