Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty?

514 replies

weegiemum · 19/11/2021 18:35

How? He shot 2 people dead in front of witnesses, but apparently it was "self defence"?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/19/kyle-rittenhouse-verdict-kenosha-shooting?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

OP posts:
DeeCeeCherry · 20/11/2021 19:43

VladmirsPoutine
Foot soldiers of white supremacy are not punished by the system, they're actively rewarded for their participation within it

Exactly. Boosted by people falling over themselves to agree with armed vigilante style - when its a White man, of course

MLK had it right when he said one of the biggest dangers is White liberals more concerned with order than justice.

Racists with a faux face they believe hides their true nature. They know exactly what the protest was about (but dont mention it) and why that man armed himself and went there.

madisonbridges · 20/11/2021 20:12

@DeeCeeCherry

VladmirsPoutine Foot soldiers of white supremacy are not punished by the system, they're actively rewarded for their participation within it

Exactly. Boosted by people falling over themselves to agree with armed vigilante style - when its a White man, of course

MLK had it right when he said one of the biggest dangers is White liberals more concerned with order than justice.

Racists with a faux face they believe hides their true nature. They know exactly what the protest was about (but dont mention it) and why that man armed himself and went there.

What are you talking about? The prosecution tried every which way to tie him to a white supremacist organisation but couldn't. What evidence do you have that they didn't? Kyle Rittenhouse gave a clear reason for why he was armed. You can believe him or not but he was not alone. Both white and black protestors went armed with and fired guns. No one on here has agreed with either people wandering the streets with guns or with the USA gun culture. The jury found him not guilty because that was justice. Nothing to do with order.
hamsterchump · 20/11/2021 20:22

@TompPinch Tony Martin shot the burglars in the back as they ran away, you aren't allowed to do that over here or in the US.

Standstheclockattentothree · 20/11/2021 20:32

@TheHoneyBadger

Of course lots of dangerous people come across as harmless but this one didn't. He was on film shouting, 'shoot me N*' repeatedly at protestors and rioters and he is on film chasing this guy and trying to grab his gun after threatening to kill people. He clearly isn't one of those calm, controls himself people hence the prison history and having been in a psychiatric hospital until that morning.
That is exactly what I'm saying. That it was his behaviour on the night which resulted in his death...
verymiddleaged · 20/11/2021 20:50

MLK had it right when he said one of the biggest dangers is White liberals more concerned with order than justice.

I think it is perfectly possible to believe that the justice system in America and its policing is institutionally racist while still not wanting your house or business to be burned to the ground.

Very few people would want to lose their houses or businesses even for causes they believed in. And certainly not in a random, chaotic and dangerous way that actually would add nothing to any cause.
There are still vacant plots in Chicago from the 1968 riots after MLK's murder. Housing and businesses that have simply never been replaced.

FurierTransform · 20/11/2021 21:10

I'm really pleased with the not guilty verdict. I was following this case a while ago, & he was clearly a victim who defended himself. The way this whole thing has been portrayed in the media has been disgraceful. From 'White suprrmacist' to 'killed 3 unarmed black people' to the 'all white jury', the media have been desperate to paint this entire sorry saga with their preferred slant; to hell with any facts.

Naughtynovembertree · 20/11/2021 21:32

USA.

What a tragic place.
All because of gun laws.

I'd be so incredibly frustrated if I lived there.

lawnotorder · 20/11/2021 21:36

Following that trial my main take away from it is that it's the country/society that is guilty. From the circumstances of Jacob Blake's death, the level of rioting it sparked, some of the genuinely awful people who joined the riots, the lack of protection for ordinary home and business owners that made people feel compelled to act as vigilantes. And the availability of incredibly deadly weapons that it's legal for a 17 year old child to walk around with.

It's beyond fucked up.

Absolutely this

verymiddleaged · 20/11/2021 21:51

Also agree with below.

ListIsGettingLonger · 20/11/2021 22:40

@LondonWolf

who at 17 goes to something like that with an automatic weapon

Silly, immature boys trying to be heroes. He was only 17 after all. Something everyone is forgetting as they shriek about him being a murdering white supremacist. Legally still a child and we now know that teenagers brains don’t fully mature until they’re in their mid twenties. Except laws and societal expectations haven’t shifted in line with that. They call him a Trump supporter and police supporter but at 17 most youngsters are still inculcated with their parent’s/family’s values even if they’re starting to rebel. He was a police cadet, of course he’s going to support the police. Stupid kid, totally out of his depth and it ended very, very badly.

Such a rosy image painted of this young thug.

I can't help but remember only last year, mumsnetters called a very young 12 year old black boy a 'big strapping lad', 'old enough to know better', a 'potential threat' only because he had a BB gun in his house and a passerby had phone the police who crashed into their home at midnight.

There were more posts of him being a danger for owning a BB gun and people asking why he would have such a WEAPON. Even watching him being awkward, uncomfortable and silent in his mum's interview video, he was still seen as 'too old to be 12 and looked guilty'. Basically justifying the treatment he got from the police that night in his home.

But here we are: a 17 (nearly legally an adult) year old hooligan who shot and killed people is everything short of still young enough to be breastfed, and doesn't know any better.

Interesting but not surprising. I've learned a lot from following threads like this and I've learned a lot from mumsnetters.

(I haven't said anything about the case itself. Only interested in public perceptions).

LondonWolf · 20/11/2021 22:51

Well I wasn’t on “The Thread Last Year” Hmm. I don’t even know what you’re talking about. But I know for a fact I’d have said exactly the same, even more so about a 12 year old CHILD.

The rest of your post is just silly and disingenuous actually as I didn’t actually say anything like that.

Fgs when will people stop this incessant rage baiting? My policy is usually to try and ignore it but it’s just so disgusting that I can’t help but respond at times.

madisonbridges · 20/11/2021 22:54

@ListIsGettingLonger From your point of view, do you think he should have been found guilty?

ListIsGettingLonger · 20/11/2021 23:04

Why so outraged? Your post reminded me of what I see often, especially what happened last year. I'm simply comparing what you wrote here and what some people wrote there. Never said you were there or said anything on that thread - do I know you? Lol. Calm down and stop accusing people of race-baiting while claiming to be objective.

@madisonbridges I have no idea. Haven’t looked at the case in full. Only pointed out something from this thread. As I said, I'm not commenting on the case itself.

verymiddleaged · 20/11/2021 23:06

I also don't remember this thread from last year, I didn't comment on it.
Was it a US case?

Also there is a wide range of opinions on this thread.
The only really consistent view I can see is that gun laws in the USA cause more problems than they solve.

There are clear racial justice issues in the USA but they won't be solved by ignoring what the law currently is.

We need to ensure that people of color get treated as well as white people within the law, not give up on the rule of law.

Personally I reckon that some states could do with a significant overhaul of some of their gun laws. But ironically the riots last year makes this less not more likely.

But if a majority want to change law, particularly state law that will happen.

LondonWolf · 20/11/2021 23:34

Why so outraged? Your post reminded me of what I see often, especially what happened last year. I'm simply comparing what you wrote here and what some people wrote there. Never said you were there or said anything on that thread - do I know you? Lol. Calm down and stop accusing people of race-baiting while claiming to be objective.

Exasperation is not outrage Smile

I just can’t see the link myself. I state a number of truths to which you respond by describing “A Thread Last Year” which you seen to be saying was full of dreadful racism and double standards. You are race baiting as there is no relevance here given that this was a white on white crime. Those who race bait never do like being told they’re doing it though. They like the power of it where the accused usually goes silent because they know they can never say the right thing.

Any chance of you linking the thread btw? Or giving more details of how we can find it? TIA.

LondonWolf · 20/11/2021 23:40

I have no idea. Haven’t looked at the case in full. Only pointed out something from this thread. As I said, I'm not commenting on the case itself.

Which in fact makes your assertions even more senseless! You don’t know anything about the case, so presumably nothing about KR, his details etc or how the night in question progressed but still came on to say that posts from people who do know this information so have formed a factually based opinion, reminded you of “A Thread Last Year” which was dreadfully racist.

Bizarre (and race baity!)

flashbac · 20/11/2021 23:53

@ListIsGettingLonger

I agree with you on the issue of Kit getting so much sympathy on here. He doesn't deserve it.

LondonWolf · 21/11/2021 00:02

“Kit”?

Grin

Time for bed!

ListIsGettingLonger · 21/11/2021 00:13

You keep writing "A Thread Last Year" - is that a direct quote (I can't see where it's from) or are you trying to make it a thing? Shows that you take what you want from a post once triggered and get worked up about it.

I've mentioned that my post wasn't about the case but about people's perception of others (In this case, a white teen and a black child), as is usually the case. I've said twice now and I'm saying again that my post isn't about the case itself but you keep twisting it to be about it. You jumped to claiming you weren't there on that thread - as if I said you were or mentioned you on the thread. You've continuously quoted "A Thread Last Year", as if I wrote that anywhere, and harping on about rAcE BaITErs. Classic.

Keep being "exasperated" at your perception of my race-baiting, while I perceive your exasperation as full of assumptions and being outraged because I dared to point out the typical "he's so young, he's brain hasn't fully matured", etc excuse.

Of course you can't see the link - I do. Just like I see through your anger and assumptions about race baiters. Infact, with your incessant missing the point, claiming what isn't as true and being all offended, I think you know more than you claim.

Any chance of you linking the thread btw? Or giving more details of how we can find it? TIA.
No chance. It's "A Thread Last Year" (Here, I've helped you with your quote from nowhere). I have no idea where to begin looking for it even if I was arsed to find it for you.

Zotter · 21/11/2021 00:16

Doing some reading today on Wisconsin’s open carry law and the nature of its self defence laws I understand why Rittenhouse was acquitted. However, I think these laws permit reckless behaviour and risk outcomes such as the Rittenhouse case. I am thankful U.K. self defence and gun laws are different.

ListIsGettingLonger · 21/11/2021 00:16

@LondonWolf

“Kit”? Grin

Time for bed!

I'd say so. You seem overly invested. Let people post in peace. Were you his lawyer or are you his mum or something? Lol
flashbac · 21/11/2021 00:20

@ListIsGettingLonger

I was going to say the same thing earlier today. Waaay too invested and defensive over some idiot (IMHO) in the States.

ListIsGettingLonger · 21/11/2021 00:23

[quote flashbac]@ListIsGettingLonger

I was going to say the same thing earlier today. Waaay too invested and defensive over some idiot (IMHO) in the States.[/quote]
I agree. Being all triggered and such, and making up shit to feel better.

madisonbridges · 21/11/2021 00:59

@ListIsGettingLonger
Such a rosy image painted of this young thug.
I have no idea. Haven’t looked at the case in full.

I havent seen any 'rosy images' about KR but how can you criticise people for the opinions they have of what KR did and what happened to him if you don't even know the full story? 🙄

TheHoneyBadger · 21/11/2021 01:01

How is a white kid shooting three white men, one of whom was going around calling black people the n word, a racist crime?