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What age would you think did this drawing?

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NowWhatUsernameShallIHave · 11/11/2021 21:22

Just that really

What age would you think did this drawing?
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liveforsummer · 12/11/2021 06:46

It was done by an 11 year old who is currently being assessed for being on the spectrum

The dc I work with 1:1 was producing some absolutely amazing detailed drawings of characters from memory aged 5 and some
of the other dc that I had in mind that could create that very young we are looking at referrals however we have autistic dc in school who are 11 and are barely forming letters. It's a huge spectrum and there is no 'typical' Some kids just don't particularly like drawing too asd or not.

Rugsofhonour · 12/11/2021 06:47

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nellyburt · 12/11/2021 06:56

Just read all of your comments OP. My ds is 12 and couldn’t draw like that. Give him a set of drumsticks and he’s amazing. I wouldn’t focus on the drawing, hope you get the answers you need.

usernamenumber636274 · 12/11/2021 07:06

7-8? Gaming console under the tree?

WinterFirTree · 12/11/2021 07:09

My 12 year old has ASD and dyspraxia and he could never draw anything as clearly defined as that. He simply is not currently capable of it (staying inside the lines for example).

But he has loads of other skills and is cat whisperer extroadinaire. :)

usernamenumber636274 · 12/11/2021 07:09

I've just read that it was done by an 11 on the spectrum op so I think it's pretty good. Ds is 10, nearly 11 and on the spectrum and he couldn't draw like this but Dd could (shes 6/7 but very artistic). I couldn't draw like this either tbh!

Like I said Ds is ok the spectrum! He's not very creative at all and couldn't do this. He's only learnt to colour in the lines more recently.

Does your 11 year old want a console for Christmas? Assuming that's a console by the present? Ds is the same. Wants a bleddy Xbox 😅

Bluesheep8 · 12/11/2021 07:10
  1. Here for the big reveal...........
WinterFirTree · 12/11/2021 07:11

@speakout

*OP there has been some interesting work done on children’s drawing styles, and the average child (and adult in fact) sticks at and remains around the age of 8 (IIRC) for drawing style, probably because it isn’t really taught as a serious discipline in schools.

So most people’s drawings will progress gradually in style until around the level of an average 8 year old and generally stick there.

I would think boys in particular are less socialised to spend their time drawing, too; whereas girls often take it up as a hobby and do it alongside other girls, it isn’t really something that boys tend to encourage each other to do.

For all these reasons I would not use drawing as any kind of metric to assess a child on skills or abilities elsewhere.*

I completely agree.

These drawings are of a standard that my OH and mother would produce- in fact many adults I think.
My own children have no particular artistic talent, but had a huge benefit of a visiting art teacher for regular art lessons all the way through primary school.
By 10 years or so the whole school was producing artwork to an astounding level, simply because thay had been taught to draw, and all that encompasses, being taught how to observe, ideas about line, form, texture, light, perspective. Without teaching most of us are stick men artists.
I never studied art until I was 17. I was a stick person artist. Clashing subjects on my timetable meant that art was a subject. I always considered myself crap at art, but the teacher took me under his wing, I spent every spare moment in the art department, he would take time during his lunch break to give me one to one lessons, I would dive up there after school to practice in the studio.
Within a year I had passed A level art, simply because I was taught.
There is a myth that art is something we are born with that we can either draw or we can't. There are of course very noteable exeptions, but for the vast majority our drawing skills can be improved 1000% with good teaching.

Oh this is fascinating! Thanks both for posting that.

My DS (just mentioned) actually has a huge interest in graphics as they relate to roblox and minecraft. He also has a deficit of hobbies. I might look into an art teacher.

Bluesheep8 · 12/11/2021 07:11

Ooops seen it. Sorry

OrangeCinnamonCocktail · 12/11/2021 07:22

@foxgoosefinch

OP there has been some interesting work done on children’s drawing styles, and the average child (and adult in fact) sticks at and remains around the age of 8 (IIRC) for drawing style, probably because it isn’t really taught as a serious discipline in schools.

So most people’s drawings will progress gradually in style until around the level of an average 8 year old and generally stick there.

I would think boys in particular are less socialised to spend their time drawing, too; whereas girls often take it up as a hobby and do it alongside other girls, it isn’t really something that boys tend to encourage each other to do.

For all these reasons I would not use drawing as any kind of metric to assess a child on skills or abilities elsewhere.

This is interesting. My husband can't draw for toffee his interests are numbers and sport. I taught myself drawing techniques from a book around this age and was always told I was a good 'artist'. I wonder if it was me working through that book though?
BogRollBOGOF · 12/11/2021 07:28

When I suspected that DS was neuro-diverse, I did a mind map of all his quirks, strengths and difficulties. I did breifly refer to his drawing style as he had a very definite bias of stickman line drawings (often war scenes if given free choice) and while the style was very basic, other than faces there would be lots of little details. He's always been drawn to a "Where's Wally" type "busy" picture right from being old enough to pick up a book and turn pages. He has diagnoses of autism, dyslexia and dyspraxia. Colouring in hurts his hands so he avoids colouring in big blocks of colour and the effect is still "scruffy"

In contrast I knew another child whose art was her "interest" and would meticulously colour every mm of the page. I still see her as an adult and her drawing is meticulously beautiful and it is one of her calming strategies.

You certainly can't diagnose from a picture, but a person's art can be an insight into how they view the world. Do they interpret "draw a Christmas Tree" as drawing a tree, or add the unsaid conventions of decorations. Is it a work of perfection. Is it overwhelmingly detailed. Is it hard to concentrate on. Do they avoid things (such as faces) that they find difficult to interpret.

There certainly isn't an "autistic style" (especially when conditions like dyspraxia are commonly alongside it) but the anomalies, favoured trends and interpretation of instructions can be informative alongside the whole range of other strengths and difficulties that someone has.

Clarkey86 · 12/11/2021 07:29

As someone above said, I’d say 6+. Most kids don’t massively improve their drawing behind that unless they choose it as an interest to develop.

The more telling thing for me in terms of your son’s potential diagnoses, is the fact that the gingerbread man has no facial features etc.

beebeebe · 12/11/2021 07:40

😂 my husband draws similarly and has PHD in computer science. On the other hand, I am an artist and no skills in computers. We are all different

Bunnycat101 · 12/11/2021 07:47

Drawing is a funny one. I am a perfectly capable adult who is crap at drawing. I thought the post above about sticking with your level at 8 was interesting.

My daughter is in year 1 and it is fascinating to see the range. There are some very perfectionist 6 year olds in her class who draw beautifully. One of the girls drew an animal in reception that was genuinely better than most adults could do.

WinterFirTree · 12/11/2021 07:49

Off the back of this thread I have just ordered DS a 'How to draw manga' book as part of his Christmas present.

Thank you!

Alwaysoffendedneveroffensive · 12/11/2021 07:50

Op my husband draws and writes like that. He's in his late 30s. He's a high earner 🤷‍♀️ doesn't need drawing ability for his job.

My 6 year old can draw like that, he's not bad at art, quite behind in maths though.

whatwasIgoingtosay · 12/11/2021 07:57

Psychologists used to use drawing checklists as a very crude measure of cognitive development. The most commonly used was the Goodenough-Harris Draw-a-Man Test. You can google it - fascinating if you use google images to search.

NowWhatUsernameShallIHave · 12/11/2021 08:09

@Watchingyouwazowski

Thank you for your kind words - just hoping that the assessment is done before he starts secondary

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crackoos · 12/11/2021 10:06

The posts about art are interesting. I suppose if you think about it, until the end of the 19th c when small groups broke off and art became more about perception and self expression, art had been "establishment" for hundreds of years, and apprentices would be trained in relation to all things painting, subject matter was very prescriptive, and the great works of establishment art you see in art galleries would be worked on by teams of people.

I think there is such thing as innate ability, but that to a large part it is a teachable skill. If you want to learn. I'd rather watch paint dry nowadays! But my dc love drawing and draw a lot every day.

@NowWhatUsernameShallIHave I hope that it all goes well.

CommonPersonLikeMe · 12/11/2021 11:35

No OP, it is actually you who have jumped to conclusions and thought the worst when you had my post deleted. I was trying to warn you that no matter what age the child who drew it was, the answers on here would not really help. Sorry that it came across negatively. I genuinely didn't intend it to.
It is a lovely picture and you should enjoy it. I am 39 and it would definitely give me a run for my money Smile

bloodywhitecat · 12/11/2021 12:32

My answer was going to be 11, my son has autism and dysgraphia the picture reminds me very much of what he used to produce as a 13/14 year old. Good luck with the assessment OP.

gettingolderbutcooler · 12/11/2021 12:33

10? Given the writing?

NowWhatUsernameShallIHave · 12/11/2021 14:13

@CommonPersonLikeMe
For your kind information I did not get your post deleted
I don’t have the foggiest how to do it

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MyMushroomsInATimeSlip · 12/11/2021 14:17

It's a better picture than my bright but artistically challenged 11 year could do!

sillysmiles · 12/11/2021 14:34

The colouring is very neat and complete, so before I saw your updates I was thinking 10 ish.