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To cancel Christmas? Need advice

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Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 13:47

I need advice on what to do around x mas. It’s coming up and it’s bringing me anxiety.

This will be the first Christmas with out DF- he tragically and heartbreakingly passed away this summer. Truth is I’ve not dealt with it, not seeing him at Xmas will be an emotional gut punch. He always cooked Xmas dinner and took it very seriously. He never asked for gifts, just if I would make him some biscuits. He saved the tins and always mooned over the biscuits. (God tearing up a little bit typing this, this detail isn’t strictly relevant but just to illustrate how hard it will be).

Christmas was always an immediate family affair, grandparents (now deceased) DF (now deceased) M, B and I. There is no extended family M is an only child. M,B and I have a complicated relationship. I do not have pleasant memories of my teen years with regards to M and B (I received a lot of physical discipline which often B was allowed to participate in, a lot of name calling and taunting from both, often together with regards to appearance, intellect, weight etc- I do know now this was abusive). To pre empt any questions about where my dad was at this time DF lived abroad at this time. M cut off all communication to him, blocked all incoming and outgoing calls from his number, we were allowed one supervised phonecall a week on speaker (to and from her mobile), back in the days of dial up Internet access was limited. He didn’t know the extent of what was happening. After returning to the UK DF and M lived together and their relationship was dire.

M Is still v v harsh on me, there is a clear double standard between B and I.

I am married with a 2 year old and soon to be a newborn (still cooking but receiving eviction notice shortly). By the time x mas roles around ill have a 27 month old and at max a one month old. We are also a Muslim family (my husband, kids and I), so in ourselves we don’t celebrate x mas. We participated in my families x mas celebrations (ie big roast, TV and gifts) out of deference to them. M lives 3 hours away so we’d visit for a few days, as was the preference. I understand some Muslims who read this might find it abhorrent that we participated in their x mas celebrations but we ate veggie and anything else would have hurt them. But point here is we don’t do decor ourselves, but we will have a roast (love a roast in general) and watch movies and eat chocolates.

So flash forward to now and what to do which is the part that’s causing anxiety.

Do I go to her house? I feel like hauling a toddler and a newborn on a 3 hr drive is going to be exhausting. M’s house is large but not set up for kids or even visitors. 4th bedroom has been converted into an entertainment room, my childhood bedroom has a single bed and lots of furniture. M’s room is cramped with extra furniture too. So basically space is a big issue for 2 kids to sleep. There is also the drive down, knowing how sleep deprived we’ll be. Last c mas we went and now 2 year old didn’t settle to sleep til 7am (new environment and M watching tv til 2am kept waking her up) and it was awful. M is not the helping hand type so didn’t provide any assistance or support so we could eat or rest- it’s just not her style. House is also quite unsafe from a baby/ toddler proof perspective. Plus being there without my dad will be like taking a bullet. I’ll probably have to do some of the cooking also. It just sounds like it’s going to be exhausting.

So what about hosting at my house? Well we’d have to give up our bedroom which is fine we have a spare but M doesn’t like the spare bed. That will solve the DD sleep issue, newborn will be as newborn is. But we’ll be stuck cooking an x mas dinner and looking after 2 kids my mum and her dog. Again helping hand is not her thing it won’t happen. She stayed with us after DF passed away and she was difficult to say the least. She will also kick up a huge fuss that we don’t decorate the house for x mas. There will also be the expectation that I invite and host my brother, which I do not want to do as tried to attack me during this pregnancy and Cheated DF out of money when he was vulnerable. She also always looks for any opportunity to put the boot into my husband, anything and everything. So I do feel for him here, as he does bend over backwards to try and be accommodating and it gets thrown back in his face.

Or do I just say x mas this year will be too much? as both scenarios will be incredibly stressful. But also it’s the first x mas without my dad, even though M isn’t particularly nice to me, big empty house on x mas and being alone… god that sounds f’ing awful and I don’t want to inflict that one anyone plus I’ll never hear the end of it.

To pre empt any questions about B. He lives 20 mins from her with his fiancé but it’s v v unlikely he would host her, he’d go to his in-laws. He wouldn’t stay or invite her to stay after DF passed away (when she came back from our house) But he’s subject to a different set of standards than me so it’s acceptable.

If you made it to the bottom, I’m impressed lol. Thank you! Appreciate it’s a long one but I really could use some advice on what would you do?

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Lottapianos · 11/11/2021 13:50

Don't go anywhere. Your newborn is the perfect excuse for a 'quiet Christmas' (I know you don't actually celebrate) and a very good reason for not wanting to travel

Would you be willing to have your M and B visit you at some point over the period? If so, you could offer that instead

Laquila · 11/11/2021 13:50

I wouldn't hesitate to cut these terrible people put of my life, but I appreciate that may not work for you.

Next best option is to be honest and say that you don't think you'll be up to it (in various ways) and that her house isn't set up for anyone having a comfortable Christmas.

Best of luck Flowers

Lottapianos · 11/11/2021 13:51

And I'm very sorry about your dad

If I were you, I would be thinking long and hard about what sort of relationship I was prepared to have with M and B, outside of Christmas

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emmathedilemma · 11/11/2021 13:52

I'd stay at home with own children, it's crazy to go to all that effort for something you don't even celebrate with people you don't even like. The newborn is a good enough excuse if they ask.

Bushkin · 11/11/2021 13:54

So sorry about your dad. I agree, newborn is a great excuse to stay home.

RJnomore1 · 11/11/2021 13:54

Cancel everything. Even without the context it’s too much to expect you to travel with a newborn or to cook and host.

If they lived close perhaps you could have Popped in.

Then given the context Why would you want to put yourself out at all to spend time with them.

Don’t let your brother near your kids. He attacked you while pregnant?

💐I’m so sorry for your loss too.

Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 13:59

B did something in my mind that is truly hideous, won’t go into the details, but basically he’s a bully and a pathological liar. I’ve always known this but him trying to attack me 6 months pregnant really put the cherry on that. I don’t wish to have any real contact with him, i can be civil but truth is I feel a lot of anger towards him and his disgusting actions.

I’m actually working through rn what the consequences of M and to a lesser extent B are of being in my life. It’s part of some counselling I’ve been doing as my dad passing and pregnancy had given me some quite bad ptsd.

It’s just c mas. Even though she’s a nightmare and what I do will never be good enough, going from a full house to an empty space would be horrid.

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SavoyCabbage · 11/11/2021 14:03

Just stay at your own house and spend time with your own family. Pick any parts of Christmas that you do want to do and do them. Cook or don't cook. It's your own family in your own house.

Your two year old won't have any expectations of what Christmas is or isn't. There is absolutely no need to put any sort of pressure on yourself.

HelloTreeWindow · 11/11/2021 14:03

Very sorry about your dad.
Maybe make the cookies anyway this year to think of him, make it a tradition still for your dad.
With your mum and brother, nope. Christmas on your own however you want to celebrate or not. Enjoy your newborn. Now your dads passed away I would reconsider staying in contact.
And why if you have people stay would you have to give up your room? Nope to that. They stay where there’s room or the floor and you stay in your own bed. Never got that

Notaroadrunner · 11/11/2021 14:04

Stay in your house with your Dh and toddler and baby. Do not invite them. And in the new year get some counselling as it sounds like you should be NC with your M and B. You have your own family unit now and you don't have to tolerate your M or B every again. Think of the lovely life you can build for your kids without the influence of your awful M and B in their lives.

CatRatSplat · 11/11/2021 14:04

Newborns shouldn't be traveling for 3hrs and you don't have space or time to host. Job done. Enjoy your family of 4 you will still be adjusting and probably won't even notice it's Christmas day!

Harriet1216 · 11/11/2021 14:06

To be honest, I wouldn't want anything more to do with them. You have a newborn (congratulations!) so the perfect excuse to enjoy Christmas on your own terms.

Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 14:07

@RJnomore1

Cancel everything. Even without the context it’s too much to expect you to travel with a newborn or to cook and host.

If they lived close perhaps you could have Popped in.

Then given the context Why would you want to put yourself out at all to spend time with them.

Don’t let your brother near your kids. He attacked you while pregnant?

💐I’m so sorry for your loss too.

A brief synopsis of what he did: DF was in ICU (I thought he’d pull through but I was wrong) but I’d caught a 3am taxi from where I live to where he was in hospital (about 3.5 hrs away) stayed all night and into the afternoon with DF. Covid meant canteen was closed and I’d left in a faff so no money for vending machine so I’d not eaten since day before. Ended up collapsing at the hospital, icu nurses sent me to mat triage, basically low blood sugar and stress. Kept me for a bit gave me something to eat and then let me go. Went back to ICU, they popped me in a wheelchair bless them. Sat in with DF, B came and DF started aspirating, he was unconscious. i asked B to signal to a nurse to help him out and he told me No and to fuck off. I did say why do you have to be so horrible and go up out of my wheelchair which was the furtherest seat from the door, to find the nurse. When she sorted DF out and left B squared up to me ripped off his gloves, cracked his knuckles, put his hand on my throat, smiled patted me on the shoulder and booted me in the shins otw out storming out. I had a big bruise and I felt intimidated but he didn’t exactly pummel me into the ground.

Dw he doesn’t see my kids, he’s seen dd once and hasn’t been alone with her or even held her

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picklemewalnuts · 11/11/2021 14:10

I'm going to be blunt.

You worry about how awful it will be for her, because you have empathy.

It has been awful for you- she didn't care. It would be awful for you to host her and DB- she doesn't care.

It may be that it wouldn't be awful for her- she may well scream and shout about it, but she may not actually be sad and distressed the way you get sad and distressed.

Don't protect her from distress by causing yourself and your family distress.

This is a good year to stop the Christmas issue. Just don't do it, stay home, don't invite either of them. Be a family with a newborn.

Thecurtainsofdestiny · 11/11/2021 14:18

Honestly? I'd stay at home and not see anyone.

SleepingStandingUp · 11/11/2021 14:19

I'd message and say given newborn you won't be travelling over to celebrate Xmas this year but you hope she has a great with DBro and leave it at that. Don't apologise or over explain etc. Just a clear no.

Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 14:47

That’s a really strong point @picklemewalnuts, i shouldn’t assume she feels how id feel.

Thanks all, it’s really good to get outside perspective on a situation like this. The best scenario is to just stay at home like all of you said, life with a newborn is tough enough ❤️

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Mummyratbag · 11/11/2021 14:48

This is hideous. How dare your brother treat you like that. How dare your mum have been so awful to you.

Please put you and your new family first. Be kind to yourself and do what you want to do. You don't deserve to be treated in this way, you really don't.

Franklyfrost · 11/11/2021 14:49

Say you’re not celebrating Christmas and won’t be going anywhere. Invite her for a visit to meet baby in the new year. Buy her an inflatable mattress and tell her she’ll be in the guest room. Never see your brother again. And like others said, make the biscuits and remember your dad.

Derbee · 11/11/2021 14:53

Stay at home with your little family. A newborn is hard enough without going to her house, or having her come to yours.

MrsMiddleMother · 11/11/2021 15:06

Definitely stay at home with your own little family and do NOT invite your M. Honestly if she is all alone at Xmas it's because of her own actions and you definitely shouldn't feel bad about that.

UhOhOops · 11/11/2021 15:07

Nope. Nope. Nope and nope.

Your immediate family (you, dh, dcs) don't celebrate Xmas, you just go along with the family tradition

Your mum was (at the very least) emotionally abusive, and remains so

Your dB was physically abusive just a couple of months ago, at your dad's bedside as he was in his last days

Your dc will be too young to transport 3.5 hours away

No way should a new mum be turfed out of her own bed to accommodate ungrateful and frankly unwanted guests

You have the perfect reasons - they're not excuses, not the difference - for not hosting or celebrating or accommodating any of this.

Make your dad his biscuits and eat them whilst thinking of him and enjoy some seasonal peace. Time for your family to establish some new traditions

Tricked2003 · 11/11/2021 15:09

Stay at home and focus on yourself, your husband and your dc!"!!!

Do not feel any guilt !!!!

Skeumorph · 11/11/2021 15:09

oh my god.

Listen, for your childrens' sake - go no contact with both of them.

Your mother deserves a bloody good hiding for the way you were treated and frankly I'm smiling at the thought of her alone for Christmas. Especially if it's because her absolute piece of shit of a Golden Child won't host her. Reap. What. You. Sow.

Your brother I won't even dignify with any discussion. He is nothing. Delete him.

What I would actually do - tell your mother it's too much this year. Or get your DH to contact her about it. Make it clear that you don't wish to have any contact with your brother and he isn't fit to see any of you.

Easier said than done I know, so... plan 2:

Say you'll go there. Be vague about details. Then all 'get Covid' the week before. Sorted.

Then stop contacting her.

Send your brother a lorryload of pig shit to be dumped in his driveway.

Skeumorph · 11/11/2021 15:10

And I would honestly concentrate on the counselling with a view to cutting these absolutely horrible, HORRIBLE people out of your lives.

Your children will thank you for it!