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To cancel Christmas? Need advice

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Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 13:47

I need advice on what to do around x mas. It’s coming up and it’s bringing me anxiety.

This will be the first Christmas with out DF- he tragically and heartbreakingly passed away this summer. Truth is I’ve not dealt with it, not seeing him at Xmas will be an emotional gut punch. He always cooked Xmas dinner and took it very seriously. He never asked for gifts, just if I would make him some biscuits. He saved the tins and always mooned over the biscuits. (God tearing up a little bit typing this, this detail isn’t strictly relevant but just to illustrate how hard it will be).

Christmas was always an immediate family affair, grandparents (now deceased) DF (now deceased) M, B and I. There is no extended family M is an only child. M,B and I have a complicated relationship. I do not have pleasant memories of my teen years with regards to M and B (I received a lot of physical discipline which often B was allowed to participate in, a lot of name calling and taunting from both, often together with regards to appearance, intellect, weight etc- I do know now this was abusive). To pre empt any questions about where my dad was at this time DF lived abroad at this time. M cut off all communication to him, blocked all incoming and outgoing calls from his number, we were allowed one supervised phonecall a week on speaker (to and from her mobile), back in the days of dial up Internet access was limited. He didn’t know the extent of what was happening. After returning to the UK DF and M lived together and their relationship was dire.

M Is still v v harsh on me, there is a clear double standard between B and I.

I am married with a 2 year old and soon to be a newborn (still cooking but receiving eviction notice shortly). By the time x mas roles around ill have a 27 month old and at max a one month old. We are also a Muslim family (my husband, kids and I), so in ourselves we don’t celebrate x mas. We participated in my families x mas celebrations (ie big roast, TV and gifts) out of deference to them. M lives 3 hours away so we’d visit for a few days, as was the preference. I understand some Muslims who read this might find it abhorrent that we participated in their x mas celebrations but we ate veggie and anything else would have hurt them. But point here is we don’t do decor ourselves, but we will have a roast (love a roast in general) and watch movies and eat chocolates.

So flash forward to now and what to do which is the part that’s causing anxiety.

Do I go to her house? I feel like hauling a toddler and a newborn on a 3 hr drive is going to be exhausting. M’s house is large but not set up for kids or even visitors. 4th bedroom has been converted into an entertainment room, my childhood bedroom has a single bed and lots of furniture. M’s room is cramped with extra furniture too. So basically space is a big issue for 2 kids to sleep. There is also the drive down, knowing how sleep deprived we’ll be. Last c mas we went and now 2 year old didn’t settle to sleep til 7am (new environment and M watching tv til 2am kept waking her up) and it was awful. M is not the helping hand type so didn’t provide any assistance or support so we could eat or rest- it’s just not her style. House is also quite unsafe from a baby/ toddler proof perspective. Plus being there without my dad will be like taking a bullet. I’ll probably have to do some of the cooking also. It just sounds like it’s going to be exhausting.

So what about hosting at my house? Well we’d have to give up our bedroom which is fine we have a spare but M doesn’t like the spare bed. That will solve the DD sleep issue, newborn will be as newborn is. But we’ll be stuck cooking an x mas dinner and looking after 2 kids my mum and her dog. Again helping hand is not her thing it won’t happen. She stayed with us after DF passed away and she was difficult to say the least. She will also kick up a huge fuss that we don’t decorate the house for x mas. There will also be the expectation that I invite and host my brother, which I do not want to do as tried to attack me during this pregnancy and Cheated DF out of money when he was vulnerable. She also always looks for any opportunity to put the boot into my husband, anything and everything. So I do feel for him here, as he does bend over backwards to try and be accommodating and it gets thrown back in his face.

Or do I just say x mas this year will be too much? as both scenarios will be incredibly stressful. But also it’s the first x mas without my dad, even though M isn’t particularly nice to me, big empty house on x mas and being alone… god that sounds f’ing awful and I don’t want to inflict that one anyone plus I’ll never hear the end of it.

To pre empt any questions about B. He lives 20 mins from her with his fiancé but it’s v v unlikely he would host her, he’d go to his in-laws. He wouldn’t stay or invite her to stay after DF passed away (when she came back from our house) But he’s subject to a different set of standards than me so it’s acceptable.

If you made it to the bottom, I’m impressed lol. Thank you! Appreciate it’s a long one but I really could use some advice on what would you do?

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Playdoughcaterpillar · 11/11/2021 15:18

Oh god how awful. Of course stay home and do your own thing. Don't feel guilty. Do you think she feels guilty about how she treats you? No.

Tal45 · 11/11/2021 15:30

God good you've been through enough without another ordeal at Christmas. You deserve a bit of peace and time with your children. Do things exactly the way you want them.

TabithaTumbler · 11/11/2021 15:33

Will there be any repercussions from wider family if you cut your M/B out of your life?

I agree with the others have a nice little Christmas with your DH and kids, bake the biscuits and remember your Dad Thanks

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MovinOnUp · 11/11/2021 15:55

Stay at home with the people who love you.

Palavah · 11/11/2021 16:00

You owe them nothing. Do what works for you and your baby.

Yogawankonobi · 11/11/2021 16:07

Did you report your brothers attack?

I’m sorry for your loss.

Just be factual, You’ll have your hands full with the children, you are Muslim and your brother attacked you.

You don’t owe them anything.

Chloemol · 11/11/2021 16:23

Well for a start your brother attacked you, and you should have reported it to the police so block him now

Why are you even contemplating a relationship with either of them? They are not good for you and certainly your kids need protecting from them

So now is the time. Advise them you are not celebrating Christmas as you are a Muslim family, and you leave it to them to sort themselves out

When the baby is born let them know, but advise it’s too difficult for them to come and visit

Then simply don’t contact them

If they contact you you are always too busy to see them

Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 16:32

I never reported him no, should have but with him it’s quite literally the tip of the iceberg so the fact I didn’t end up on the floor (like I used to) it was easy enough to brush off. I’m aware writing this of how messed up that sounds. My mum was also there and saw him Square up to me but didn’t see any thing else apparently. I ended up getting the blame for asking him to do something. The icu is a total rollercoaster emotionally and DF had good days and bad days so that just ended up taking all my focus. Didn’t want to upset DF too in his lucid moments. In hindsight though I should have.

I’m actually getting counselling right now and my current exercise is to work through the consequences of having them in my life. B isn’t really in my life In anyway, his presence in the lies and how it’s always me that deals with the fall out is, just not his physical person (if that even makes sense) it’s mainly just M. I’ve a lot to guilt about thinking of going NC, which I’ve learned is FOG but I’m working through it now finally.

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NeonShortsInWinter · 11/11/2021 17:00

This is the line in the sand moment. Do not see them at Christmas and cut your brother out of your life altogether. He put his hand round your throat. This is the line.

Your Mum failed to protect you as a child and still scapegoats you now re your brother about what she did, or didn't see. I would not want such a person around my children.

We would never, never, accept this behaviour from anyone, not from work colleagues, not from friends, so why do we still try to preserve family relations? Don't. The distance makes this easy.

You are simply spending Christmas at home and not seeing any visitors. You deserve better. You know you do. Protect yourself and your children from these people.

Auntycorruption · 11/11/2021 17:20

Stay at home. Grieve for you dad. Consider pressing charges for assault against your brother. Cherish your new family and focus on building a life for yourself away from these vile people.

ProudMaiasaura · 11/11/2021 17:29

You've had an awful year, you really don't need to finish it off jumping through hoops to please people who are abusive to you.

Take advantage of the long weekend that is Christmas this year, get in some lovely treats and revel in your soon to be two children.

Your mother's loss is no greater than yours, she doesn't get to take priority. You and your children are the priority now, don't lose sight of that Flowers

BluebellsGreenbells · 11/11/2021 17:34

As your B is the golden child, which you can point out to your mother, there is no reason he can’t entertain her this Christmas. If you say no, that will leave your mother to sort it out with him.

I would leave them too it. They deserve each other. By stepping in and refusing her Christmas you aren’t solving any issues.

FireworkParrot · 11/11/2021 17:41

This is the line in the sand moment. Do not see them at Christmas and cut your brother out of your life altogether. He put his hand round your throat. This is the line.

Your Mum failed to protect you as a child and still scapegoats you now re your brother about what she did, or didn't see. I would not want such a person around my children.

We would never, never, accept this behaviour from anyone, not from work colleagues, not from friends, so why do we still try to preserve family relations? Don't. The distance makes this easy.

You are simply spending Christmas at home and not seeing any visitors. You deserve better. You know you do. Protect yourself and your children from these people.

This is spot on advice. Your brother absolutely should not be in your life, to be honest I think I'd be having the bare minimum contact with my mother in your circumstances, if not going no contact completely.

You seem like you know what you need to do but need permission to go no contact. Give yourself permission and focus on people that love you and bring you happiness.

PuertoPollensa · 11/11/2021 17:41

Leave them to it.
Enjoy a new relaxed time with your DH and children.

Annonnimoouse42 · 11/11/2021 17:56

I would have nothing to do with them. do you really want them treating your kids as they've treated you?
I spent 16 long years growing up, being the scapegoat for every action of my golden child brother.
I am very low contact with my not DM. she's like a dementor who sucks the joy out of everything

RaisedByPangolins · 11/11/2021 18:13

You reap what you sow. Your mum and bro sowed being a pair of #%?€$$ so they should be reaping a rubbish and lonely Xmas. Your B is unhinged and I would never want to see him again in your shoes. The fact that your M has been so awful to you and colluded in punishing you with your violent B makes her just as bad as him tbh. I know it’s hard to cut off people you’re related to, even if they deserve it. But honestly without your dad there to soften the blow for you or to feel the effect, you should seriously consider never seeing either of these people again. You have your own family now and you don’t want your DCs getting the same treatment from their grandma and uncle. Flowers

Bonbon21 · 11/11/2021 18:22

There have been, and will be, huge changes since last Christmas.. so maybe this is the time to make even more... ones that you decide on.
Your mother and brother do not seem able to bring to bring joy or enhance your life in any way... so let them go. Your mothers Christmas is NOT your responsibility. She is an adult and makes her own choices.
You have your own family now... move forward with that positive..
Have the 'Christmas' that is right for you and your beliefs, stay strong and let other people do whatever they will do.

Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 18:35

Thank you!!! Needed to hear this today!

I posted because x mas was mentioned earlier to me by M. It has now transpired that B and partner have ended their relationship and he is now living at my mothers house but is apparently ‘working’ over xmas. I’ve asked him about this and his response is he’s busy and plans on being drunk so M is ‘my problem-figure it out’ and I’m just ‘making excuses’.

M now apparently feels too unwell to drive so wants me or DH to drive down and collect her so she can stay with us and we can host x mas. It would be a 6 hr round trip (providing no traffic or stops). The mind boggles, when you thought she couldn’t possibly get more selfish, she tops herself. I’ve pointed out for what (should be) obvious reasons that is not an option as we will have a brand new baby and a toddler. I’ve now had ‘all your father would want is for you to take care of me’ and how I’m just causing endless problems.

I’ve ended the conversation by saying I don’t not feel hosting xmas this year should be on me due to having a newborn and as a result I won’t be doing it, I’m also not willing to send DH as a taxi on a 6 hr round trip each way when frankly it will be all hands on deck at home, and perhaps b should look at taking the day off.

If this is just the arranging of xmas, can you imagine how exhausting actual x mas would be.

Thanks for all your support, sometimes I end up questioning if I’m the bad guy x

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Skiptheheartsandflowers · 11/11/2021 18:44

@Kanfuzed123

Thank you!!! Needed to hear this today!

I posted because x mas was mentioned earlier to me by M. It has now transpired that B and partner have ended their relationship and he is now living at my mothers house but is apparently ‘working’ over xmas. I’ve asked him about this and his response is he’s busy and plans on being drunk so M is ‘my problem-figure it out’ and I’m just ‘making excuses’.

M now apparently feels too unwell to drive so wants me or DH to drive down and collect her so she can stay with us and we can host x mas. It would be a 6 hr round trip (providing no traffic or stops). The mind boggles, when you thought she couldn’t possibly get more selfish, she tops herself. I’ve pointed out for what (should be) obvious reasons that is not an option as we will have a brand new baby and a toddler. I’ve now had ‘all your father would want is for you to take care of me’ and how I’m just causing endless problems.

I’ve ended the conversation by saying I don’t not feel hosting xmas this year should be on me due to having a newborn and as a result I won’t be doing it, I’m also not willing to send DH as a taxi on a 6 hr round trip each way when frankly it will be all hands on deck at home, and perhaps b should look at taking the day off.

If this is just the arranging of xmas, can you imagine how exhausting actual x mas would be.

Thanks for all your support, sometimes I end up questioning if I’m the bad guy x

Stand your ground! Don't go near either of them. In fact don't speak to your brother again. I would not take his calls or messages anymore. Block him.

You are not the bad guy!

Make your Dad's cookies with your children. Even if not this year, as they get older, as a Christmas (secular) thing in his memory.

ponkydonkey · 11/11/2021 19:05

Just say no what are they going to do? Treat you like shit? Call you names? Bully you?
They've all ready made their choices!!!

Now you have a lovely family of your own... do not make bad choices for them. Involving your mother in this will make bad memories for your family. Because she'll put you on edge undermine your self confidence etc Remember that when you feel you owe your mother some thing. Which you don't
And your brother sounds like an absolute waste of space!

picklemewalnuts · 11/11/2021 19:06

Well done. You stood your ground. Now you need a conversation closer every time she or he restart the discussion try and blackmail you into compliance.

Something like
'Oh, I've already told you. We aren't hosting or travelling, we're staying home alone.'
'No, we've already talked about this. Bye.'

Put the phone down every time she brings it up.

It would be nice, and I find helpful, to put something positive in place instead of a sad/difficult thing. You could make biscuits with the children and take them to a neighbour or friend, for example. A new tradition to commemorate and replace the old one.

Lottapianos · 11/11/2021 19:46

Well done for saying no way to your mother's plan. The nerve of her! Stay home and recover and enjoy some peace. Your M and B are absolutely no good for you

Naughtynovembertree · 11/11/2021 19:48

Op no, cancel Xmas but not for dc..
.. As pp said tell her it's too much.

As for being Muslim though I always think because Xmas is one part religion and actually half not religious at all I always feel its a shame when people don't partake in it in some way?

Christianaity hi jacked a pagan festival of light really. In UK where its the darkest part of the year it seems to make sense to celebrate and have lots of lights.

TabithaTumbler · 11/11/2021 19:53

I posted because x mas was mentioned earlier to me by M. It has now transpired that B and partner have ended their relationship and he is now living at my mothers house but is apparently ‘working’ over xmas. I’ve asked him about this and his response is he’s busy and plans on being drunk so M is ‘my problem-figure it out’ and I’m just ‘making excuses

Why are you even communicating with your B
anymore?

Howshouldibehave · 11/11/2021 19:55

M now apparently feels too unwell to drive so wants me or DH to drive down and collect her so she can stay with us and we can host xmas

She can want all she likes, that doesn’t make things happen!