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To cancel Christmas? Need advice

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Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 13:47

I need advice on what to do around x mas. It’s coming up and it’s bringing me anxiety.

This will be the first Christmas with out DF- he tragically and heartbreakingly passed away this summer. Truth is I’ve not dealt with it, not seeing him at Xmas will be an emotional gut punch. He always cooked Xmas dinner and took it very seriously. He never asked for gifts, just if I would make him some biscuits. He saved the tins and always mooned over the biscuits. (God tearing up a little bit typing this, this detail isn’t strictly relevant but just to illustrate how hard it will be).

Christmas was always an immediate family affair, grandparents (now deceased) DF (now deceased) M, B and I. There is no extended family M is an only child. M,B and I have a complicated relationship. I do not have pleasant memories of my teen years with regards to M and B (I received a lot of physical discipline which often B was allowed to participate in, a lot of name calling and taunting from both, often together with regards to appearance, intellect, weight etc- I do know now this was abusive). To pre empt any questions about where my dad was at this time DF lived abroad at this time. M cut off all communication to him, blocked all incoming and outgoing calls from his number, we were allowed one supervised phonecall a week on speaker (to and from her mobile), back in the days of dial up Internet access was limited. He didn’t know the extent of what was happening. After returning to the UK DF and M lived together and their relationship was dire.

M Is still v v harsh on me, there is a clear double standard between B and I.

I am married with a 2 year old and soon to be a newborn (still cooking but receiving eviction notice shortly). By the time x mas roles around ill have a 27 month old and at max a one month old. We are also a Muslim family (my husband, kids and I), so in ourselves we don’t celebrate x mas. We participated in my families x mas celebrations (ie big roast, TV and gifts) out of deference to them. M lives 3 hours away so we’d visit for a few days, as was the preference. I understand some Muslims who read this might find it abhorrent that we participated in their x mas celebrations but we ate veggie and anything else would have hurt them. But point here is we don’t do decor ourselves, but we will have a roast (love a roast in general) and watch movies and eat chocolates.

So flash forward to now and what to do which is the part that’s causing anxiety.

Do I go to her house? I feel like hauling a toddler and a newborn on a 3 hr drive is going to be exhausting. M’s house is large but not set up for kids or even visitors. 4th bedroom has been converted into an entertainment room, my childhood bedroom has a single bed and lots of furniture. M’s room is cramped with extra furniture too. So basically space is a big issue for 2 kids to sleep. There is also the drive down, knowing how sleep deprived we’ll be. Last c mas we went and now 2 year old didn’t settle to sleep til 7am (new environment and M watching tv til 2am kept waking her up) and it was awful. M is not the helping hand type so didn’t provide any assistance or support so we could eat or rest- it’s just not her style. House is also quite unsafe from a baby/ toddler proof perspective. Plus being there without my dad will be like taking a bullet. I’ll probably have to do some of the cooking also. It just sounds like it’s going to be exhausting.

So what about hosting at my house? Well we’d have to give up our bedroom which is fine we have a spare but M doesn’t like the spare bed. That will solve the DD sleep issue, newborn will be as newborn is. But we’ll be stuck cooking an x mas dinner and looking after 2 kids my mum and her dog. Again helping hand is not her thing it won’t happen. She stayed with us after DF passed away and she was difficult to say the least. She will also kick up a huge fuss that we don’t decorate the house for x mas. There will also be the expectation that I invite and host my brother, which I do not want to do as tried to attack me during this pregnancy and Cheated DF out of money when he was vulnerable. She also always looks for any opportunity to put the boot into my husband, anything and everything. So I do feel for him here, as he does bend over backwards to try and be accommodating and it gets thrown back in his face.

Or do I just say x mas this year will be too much? as both scenarios will be incredibly stressful. But also it’s the first x mas without my dad, even though M isn’t particularly nice to me, big empty house on x mas and being alone… god that sounds f’ing awful and I don’t want to inflict that one anyone plus I’ll never hear the end of it.

To pre empt any questions about B. He lives 20 mins from her with his fiancé but it’s v v unlikely he would host her, he’d go to his in-laws. He wouldn’t stay or invite her to stay after DF passed away (when she came back from our house) But he’s subject to a different set of standards than me so it’s acceptable.

If you made it to the bottom, I’m impressed lol. Thank you! Appreciate it’s a long one but I really could use some advice on what would you do?

OP posts:
Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 19:58

In general we aren’t @TabithaTumbler in fact this is the first time speaking to him since dfs funeral. Was just this c mas saga. Last of it now because as per usual he was vile.

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Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 19:59

@picklemewalnuts

Well done. You stood your ground. Now you need a conversation closer every time she or he restart the discussion try and blackmail you into compliance.

Something like
'Oh, I've already told you. We aren't hosting or travelling, we're staying home alone.'
'No, we've already talked about this. Bye.'

Put the phone down every time she brings it up.

It would be nice, and I find helpful, to put something positive in place instead of a sad/difficult thing. You could make biscuits with the children and take them to a neighbour or friend, for example. A new tradition to commemorate and replace the old one.

I like this, we have some very lovely neighbors across the road, that adore our daughter and she adores them, might be a nice tradition to start with them xx
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Feedingthebirds1 · 11/11/2021 20:13

OP you obviously loved your dad very much. And because of him you kept in touch with the wider family. If there is one positive to come out of his death, it is that you don't have to have anything to do with M&B ever again.

You owe them nothing. Let your mother stew. Remind yourself that she did nothing to help you when you needed it, in fact she was the perpetrator of a lot of your hurt. Don't put yourself through this any more, don't give them any further opportunity to be vile to you. They can sort out Christmas between them if they are, or were, such close buddies and bullies when you were around.

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STEPHJONE4018 · 11/11/2021 20:15

No luv don't cancel Christmas for your kids it is a jolly time of year and you can get a bit tipsy 🍷🍷🍷🙏

IntemperateSpirits · 11/11/2021 20:17

Well that's solved, isn't it. You've told her you're not going to host her or fetch her. She won't drive to you so unless you collect her, she's not coming. Job done.

Please use the breathing space to work on going LV/NC with them both.

Sandra420 · 11/11/2021 20:18

hiya luv you cant cancel Christmas! just have some wine and enjoy youself hun!

Kanfuzed123 · 11/11/2021 20:25

@STEPHJONE4018 and @Sandra420 we’ll have a newborn and we’re Muslim so getting tipsy isn’t on the agenda for us lol. Have an extra one for us though ❤️❤️

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caringcarer · 11/11/2021 20:30

Stay home with DH, and 2 DC. Don't travel with newborn. Your brother sounds disgusting attacking a pregnant woman. Would your DH even have him near your house? Your Mum sounds toxic. Give yourself a break and you will be happier keeping them away from you. I expect your 2 year old will enjoy those special biscuits and you can tell child her Grampa like them. Be kind to yourself. Don't put yourself under pressure especially for people who are unpleasant to you.

Notaroadrunner · 11/11/2021 21:00

Please block your vile brother from your phone and social media so that he cannot easily contact you. He's nothing to you now. As for your mother, well done for saying no to having her for Christmas. She and your vile brother can figure something out for themselves. Do not get sucked in to any further conversation about it. No means no. And start detaching from your mother too. She doesn't bring anything positive to your life. Seems she and vile brother deserve each other so leave them to it.

ImFree2doasiwant · 11/11/2021 21:06

I didn't need to maje it to the bottom to say no, don't go and don't invite them. Sorry for the loss of your dad.

pickingdaisies · 11/11/2021 21:21

Be kind to yourself and have a lovely time at home with your own family. Don't contact M and B. You owe them nothing. Tell them they will have to sort themselves out, because you are staying home by yourselves, no visitors. Just keep repeating this, don't apologise, don't justify. Just the same sentence, repeat over until they stop asking. "You'll have to sort it out between you, we are staying home no visitors. Got to go, bye"
Hang up. Or text it, then block.
For the sake of your family, OP.

myheartskippedabeat · 11/11/2021 21:30

I'd stay at home don't put yourself thru all that stress

mummymayhem18 · 11/11/2021 22:05

You don't owe them anything. They have treated you appallingly. Do what you want to do and what's right for you and YOUR family. And I'm sorry for the loss of your father.

EdgeOfTheSky · 11/11/2021 23:07

So sorry you lost your Dad.
And congratulations on your soon-born!

OP, you and your DH are the good guys in a pit of jackals. Your B is unspeakable but your M facilitates and enables him.

Your DH should not have to endure your M in the house when she is so rude and hostile to him. You should both be enjoying your new baby and your own family, not waiting hand and foot on her abusive self.

Also I would not have a guest dog in a house with a newborn. Or a toddler.

So stick with your message: you will not be hosting over the holiday period.

You have nothing to feel bad about.

beatrice82 · 14/11/2021 00:57

Your post was long so I only got to '3 hour drive with toddler and newborn' and stopped. This will not be ok. Stay at home. You shouldn't feel the need to venture out on a very long journey with children so young (plus breaks and traffic with add to the duration) with the risk of bad weather and driving conditions too. Don't do it and stay home.

SnowSurprise · 14/11/2021 07:27

Echoing the "stay at home brigade". You have a newborn, that's reason enough. I couldn't deal with getting into the who's turn is it this year and we spend the day at home with the DC. We meet the IL's sometime between New Year.

Drop contact with B.

With your M, the big question is will you feel bad if you go low contact with her or don't see her at all over the holidays? If so, could you start a new tradition which will fit with how you celebrate (or not) the season. Could you invite her for lunch at New Year? If public transport is an issue, the Sunday following New Year? Then there's no Christmas expectation. But the point is, you need to figure out what conditions of contact you are happy with and stick to that. Good Luck.

CormoranStrike · 14/11/2021 07:32

Don’t go to her house and do not invite her or your brother to yours.

Your baby is a perfect excuse, but regardless, it hi k you’ve been treated badly and shouldn’t spend the day with them at all.

Concentrate or your own immediate family and so whatever you wish to do around Dec 25. Tell them now, so the difficult conversation is over and no longer looming.

Hanab · 14/11/2021 07:35

Do what is best for YOU and YOUR family.. as to muslims who celebrate xmas, loads do in a mixed religious family. I would never condone cutting off a parent, you can extend an invite if she declines that is her choice. It’s no fun carting around kids and even worse of the house you visiting is not kid friendly.

CormoranStrike · 14/11/2021 07:41

Omg just read what your brother did.

I would never engage with him again. Ever.

Sparkletree · 14/11/2021 07:47

Tell your brother that as you have a newborn it's his responsibility to make sure your mum is okay for Christmas this year. Then block him.
Ignore all the cheeky fuckery from your mum, if she's lonely for the first Christmas without your Dad that's not your problem, people who treat other family members horribly don't get to make massive demands of them. A good mother would be dropping everything to help you out with your newborn as much as possible, not piling you with extra burdens.
So sorry about the loss of your father Flowers

Gohugatree · 14/11/2021 07:53

You're causing yourself so much angst and worry over this situation. How much angst and worry are your mother and brother feeling? I'll tell you. Absolutely none.

I think posters are often too quick to suggest going no contact with people, but in this instance it's the only sensible thing to do. You won't change either of them into decent loving individuals, and please don't consider wanting your children to have a relationship with them - why would you want them anywhere near this nasty, abusive pair.

I know it's hard because we're programmed to want close familial relationships, but they've done you so much damage they don't deserve it. Don't waste any more of your life on these two hateful people, and put all your capacity for loving and caring into your husband, children and the memory of your Dad.

Counselling may help you come to terms with your situation, help you give yourself permission to remove them from your life permanently.

IndecentCakes · 14/11/2021 08:02

Your brother is revolting and deserves no place in your life. I have brothers and they have always been very protective of me and my sisters.

user1471538283 · 14/11/2021 08:28

I am proud of you telling them no. I remember my DS as a newborn at christmas and honestly I could barely move let alone do anything else.

Perhaps finally your DM will see your DB fir what he is. Either way try and do this every year. Leave them to it.

Beautiful3 · 14/11/2021 08:30

I would be already saying no for all the reasons listed below:-

Your brother is still abusive to you even now, you should not be raising your children around him for safety reasons. I too had a significantly older brother who was abusive, he went on to be abusive to his children too.

You do not celebrate Christmas due to religious reasons. My mum was a jehkvahs witness and everybody accepted that she didn't celebrate Christmas.

You've just had a baby and need peace, and quiet. Not to travel far, and not to play host.

If it were me I'd cut all contact with mother and brother. You have your family, raise them around good people.

Lampzade · 14/11/2021 08:30

Stay at home Op.
This is the time to do what YOU want to do.