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BogRollBOGOF · 2021-10-20T21:55:24+00:00

When you kind of hope that a new thread meanders on quietly because it means that life is being fairly stable... What are ADs? Here's the copy and paste job... Definition of AD ^AD stands for anti dementor. There are creatures in Harry Potter called dementors, who suck all hope and happiness from you and eventually take your soul. Way back at the start of the pandemic thread after thread was posted on by posters like this and anyone who'd dare question anything or disagree with anything (like putting cheese in your coffee) was bullied off these threads. And so any actual discussion disappeared and it became an echo chamber of misery.^ ^We are the antidote to that. We follow the rules, but not the "roolz" and we question and discuss with respect to each other. It's all very civil.^

Worldgonecrazy · 26/12/2021 10:49

@AlviarinAesSedai

I’m staying away from the covid section. Fed u as a triple vaxed person being told I’m selfish for not LFT every bloody second I leave the house. I am obeying every law, just not the made up stuff! The tortoise is gorgeous. Merry Christmas

I wonder how ‘polite’ people will continue to be once tests are no longer free?

Hope everyone had a great Christmas. I had dinner cooked for me for the first time as an adult lovely to be spoiled

justasking111 · 26/12/2021 11:55

@NannyGythaOgg friend had covid in September saw her the other night so slim, covid does take away the appetite, as for the rest of us it's blimp time 🙈

MrsDeaconClaybourne · 26/12/2021 12:41

Sadly covid did not take away my appetite. It made me spend more time sitting around, eating more and exercising less!

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BogRollBOGOF · 26/12/2021 12:50

My waistline isn't indulging in a Boxing Day lunch... it's loitering in a lengthy queue for a PCR test in the neighbouring county as there's no tests in mine! Got a scratchy feeling in my throat yesterday like a cold coming on.
LFTed last night, clear.
LFTed this morning faint line. LFT 2, different set and different pack... clear. I'm more inclined to go with the first one that did my tonsils though.

Should be with a relative I haven't seen in two years.

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MrsDeaconClaybourne · 26/12/2021 13:56

Oh no Bog, what a pain. Fingers crossed you're negative and don't have to wait too long for the result.

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BogRollBOGOF · 26/12/2021 17:11

TBH, now we've cancelled today and tomorrow, it may as well be positive. I am supposed to be seeing a relative from overseas for the first time in 2+ years around New Year.
Saves the bother of school runs and cancelling our usual routines in term time though. Next week would have been better though!

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Taswama · 26/12/2021 18:47

Thats a shame Bogof

WouldBeGood · 26/12/2021 21:35

English ADs, do you think BJ will introduce restrictions?

justasking111 · 26/12/2021 22:08

@WouldBeGood

English ADs, do you think BJ will introduce restrictions?

Been no figures since Friday so god knows what they're playing at in Westminster Welsh figures average 3 deaths over two days which is a drop. No media leak from them either

Worldgonecrazy · 26/12/2021 23:26

If they base the decision on actual science and numbers we will be okay.

If the conspiracy theorists are right, and it’s all about the long game played by political overlords, we will have further restrictions.

I guess the definitive question about whether this is actually about a virus or not, will be answered tomorrow.

Whether anyone will keep following further restrictions after the shit show in Westminster is another question…

WouldBeGood · 26/12/2021 23:28

It’s quite nerve racking.

110APiccadilly · 27/12/2021 07:05

I had a book by David Speigelhalter for Christmas, and one thing that's very clear as I read is how much lower our risks of premature death are now than historically. (E.g. in 1841, 31% of children died before they were 16 - that's almost unimaginable for us. It's now less than 1%.)

I do wonder whether we haven't adapted mentally to being so much safer. We still subconsciously expect our children to have a high risk of death, so when something like Covid comes along we get scared out of proportion?

Don't know, it's just a thought.

Taswama · 27/12/2021 09:01

What was the book called Picadilly ?

A great book is Factfulness, written a few years ago but funnily enough includes the suggestion that we worry less about terrorism (extremely rare in the western world) and more about a pandemic (due sometime soon). Great for positivity that things are better than you think and there is a quiz here that some of you might enjoy / find interesting.

factfulnessquiz.com/

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BogRollBOGOF · 27/12/2021 09:18

@110APiccadilly

I had a book by David Speigelhalter for Christmas, and one thing that's very clear as I read is how much lower our risks of premature death are now than historically. (E.g. in 1841, 31% of children died before they were 16 - that's almost unimaginable for us. It's now less than 1%.)

I do wonder whether we haven't adapted mentally to being so much safer. We still subconsciously expect our children to have a high risk of death, so when something like Covid comes along we get scared out of proportion?

Don't know, it's just a thought.

Certainly a new baby makes you feel the fragility of new human life.

I was 10 when Anne Diamond's baby died and the Back to Back campaign was launched. At that time, there was a lot more hazard from smoking in the home too which has dwindled substiantially now. There was a lot of talk about Cot Death, and there is that maternal primal fear anyway.

I think that does drive a lot into maternal anxiety and post-natal depression (plus early motherhood is often socially very disruptive). Statistically we tend to be good at identifying babies with health issues and with sensible parenting the risk of SIDS to healthy babies is fortunately very, very low. It doesn't stop us waking and checking that we can still hear baby breathing though!

Now my two are older, I think they're plenty ready to play out but despite being a great environment for it (quiet cul-de-sacs, green spaces) there's no culture of it. It's pretty much that you're not old enough to play out until you're too old to play!

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PineappleMojito · 27/12/2021 09:46

@WouldBeGood

English ADs, do you think BJ will introduce restrictions?

Hospitalisations and deaths don’t seem to be going up. So if it’s based on numbers/NHS being overwhelmed, then no. Plus Doris is in a difficult place with his own MPs right now. However, whether he will introduce some sort of further restrictions because he needs to be seen to be doing something by the court of public opinion, that’s another matter.

110APiccadilly · 27/12/2021 10:12

@Taswama The Norm Chronicles. It's not a new book, but I'd not got round to reading it before. It touches on the "playing out" thing as well. The average age at which children are allowed to do things like go to the park or the shops by themselves keeps rising. Which (this is my comment, not David S's, though he might well agree!) probably reduces their risk of being killed by a car or abducted by a stranger, but probably raises their risk of an unhealthy lifestyle.

MrsDeaconClaybourne · 27/12/2021 11:50

[quote 110APiccadilly]@Taswama The Norm Chronicles. It's not a new book, but I'd not got round to reading it before. It touches on the "playing out" thing as well. The average age at which children are allowed to do things like go to the park or the shops by themselves keeps rising. Which (this is my comment, not David S's, though he might well agree!) probably reduces their risk of being killed by a car or abducted by a stranger, but probably raises their risk of an unhealthy lifestyle.[/quote]
I think something covid has really brought into focus is how bad we've (or society in general) become at assessing real risk. So like you say the risk of being hit by a car or abducted is tiny on an individual level where as the risk of setting up an unhealthy lifestyle/bad habits is much bigger but less tangible. I know I have a tendancy to be quite an anxious person and over think things but have always tried not to let that be the way I parent.

CruCru · 27/12/2021 12:24

@WouldBeGood

English ADs, do you think BJ will introduce restrictions?

Honestly? No I don’t. In the past the government had the support of the media. Now if they introduce restrictions, the papers will be filled with stories about hardships caused by the restrictions - plus some more stories about how much fun various people in Whitehall had at a bunch of parties. They’re already saying that schools won’t shut.

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BogRollBOGOF · 27/12/2021 12:53

Well I'm officially contaminated (wish I'd caught it while having fun!) and by the wonders of vaccination and decent health it is just a dry/ tickly throat and snuffly nose at present. It would have been very easy to overlook.

I can't see this peak growing much beyond new year and think that numbers will dwindle rapidly after that. If it's really true that 1:10 in London are infected, immunity will kick in quickly.

Time to carry on prancing around the lounge doing youtube fitness videos

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CruCru · 27/12/2021 13:22

Hope you feel better soon Bog

NannyGythaOgg · 27/12/2021 14:37

[quote 110APiccadilly]@Taswama The Norm Chronicles. It's not a new book, but I'd not got round to reading it before. It touches on the "playing out" thing as well. The average age at which children are allowed to do things like go to the park or the shops by themselves keeps rising. Which (this is my comment, not David S's, though he might well agree!) probably reduces their risk of being killed by a car or abducted by a stranger, but probably raises their risk of an unhealthy lifestyle.[/quote]
I'm not sure it does either of those things to any great degree.

Stranger danger statistics show that the risk is pretty much the same now as it has been forever
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I think younger children often take road risk more seriously when they feel they are being trusted when they are younger. They learn gradually. Whilst older kids that have never had that trust then go straight on to riding a bike on the road and then be given car keys at 17.

But then again, I am old and think that most kids are mollycoddled 😉😁. I'm 5th of 7 kids and at 6 was taking my little brother 1, in his pushchair, to the local shop for a loaf of bread and 4 for a penny sweets, (about half a mile away and across a road which while not particularly busy, was a bus route). By the time I was 11, I was taking him to the swimming baths.

Both of which I agree are somewhat risky.

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BogRollBOGOF · 27/12/2021 14:46

With risks and children, I try to keep constants such as swimming from age 8 and walking to secondary school in mind. Scouting is a good metric for expanding independence sensibly. It's amazing what they do with Cubs!

I was mollycoddled although living out of catchment on a main road didn't help. DoE was great for me.

I notice with my two that they're much better at looking at side roads if they think I'm not looking at them

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BogRollBOGOF · 27/12/2021 14:49

At the start of 2020, DS1 was 9 and just got competent at swimming lengths. Their lessons were awkwardly spaced so DS1 and I would swim during DS2's and one week he just wanted to bob on the floats in the shallow section of the main pool and confidently sent me off to the deep pool to do lengths. It was a jolt to twig that he was old enough to leave like that and it was a funny role reversal.

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MrsDeaconClaybourne · 27/12/2021 15:58

Ironically, lockdown and restrictions meant I let youngest DC have more freedom and independence sooner that I was really comfortable with. I let her meet friends to hang out in the park and go for walks from summer 2020 when she was just 10. I'd have preferred to do it gradually over Y6 but as she wasn't allowed to have friends over I felt it was the least worst option. (I know there have been times when we have been allowed people in the house)

As a family with 3DC and my DM in out bubble, the rule of 6 was rubbish for us 🙄

FatLadySang · 28/12/2021 17:42

So I finally have to download the checking in app for work having avoided it for ages (crashed my phone the first time I tried when it came out). Have emptied my phone of everything helpful to me (photos, banking apps etc)but am not sure if it is the normal nhs app or a special covid one? Literally have to have it for the next week for a patch of work and then can ditch it again…