Brexit is all going swimmingly then.

[StealthPolarBear]

Other than a few minor teething problems that let's face it no one could have ever predicted.

We need to rejoin the Single Market asap. Bregretters need to start demanding that. It's the least they can do.
Completely agree.
They won't though, they all love Brexit (or maybe hate foreigners) to much.

@Kendodd

We need to rejoin the Single Market asap. Bregretters need to start demanding that. It's the least they can do. Completely agree. They won't though, they all love Brexit (or maybe hate foreigners) to much.

That makes no sense at all.

Leave voters would overwhelmingly still vote Leave, they don't want to be in the SM or CU, polling shows this, they are not going to agitate to join the SM. They are the ones with ALL the power even thought they make up less than 50% of voters.
You are very unusual in regretting your Leave vote. I really, really wish more people had been like you, Brexit could have been stopped if large numbers of Leave voters had changed their minds, they didn't though.

Do you really think most of the U.K. pop has any idea what the SM or CU is, how it works?

Seriously?

No way did they vote for specifics like that when the main leave campaign never even mentioned leaving the SM.

If they did understand anything about trade involving SM and CU, then they wouldn't swallow bullshit like Brexit means Brexit when it was never actually defined.

Leave voters would overwhelmingly still vote Leave,

I don't think that's true, many Leave voters regret or deny their vote.

All those castigating Leave voters for contributing to food prices rising: surely the situation was ethically unsustainable anyway? It was only cheap because we exploited EU workers - or have I got that wrong? Sooner or later we would have had to face up to that fact.

I didn't vote Leave, before anyone asks, and wasn't in favour of Brexit. But I can't help thinking that for this specific issue, Brexit is a red herring. If we hadn't left, we'd still be underpaying workers.

Oh and underpaying workers who had no access to our democratic process and very few advocates on their behalf. Shameful.

I just wish we had a better Brexit. There were options. Sadly our option was down to political choice, not the best economic choice.

It was only cheap because we exploited EU workers - or have I got that wrong?

You have got that wrong. There is a myth that the EU workers here were unskilled and paid poorly for jobs that work shy Brits could do. It was a lie.

TooBig would you have a source for that perhaps? I'm not sure what they actually got paid.

I applied for a fair few picking positions in my student days with no success - at the time I wondered whether they either thought I wouldn't be good enough or whether they were not paying min. wage.

Using natural experiments, David Card has analysed the labour market effects of minimum wages, immigration and education. His studies from the early 1990s challenged conventional wisdom, leading to new analyses and additional insights. The results showed, among other things, that increasing the minimum wage does not necessarily lead to fewer jobs. We now know that the incomes of people who were born in a country can benefit from new immigration, while people who immigrated at an earlier time risk being negatively affected. We have also realised that resources in schools are far more important for students’ future labour market success than was previously thought.

It's only worth the Nobel prize it's written on though

www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/2021/press-release/

I don't think it's going too badly

It's a capitalist thing not a labour supply thing. Companies in unchecked capitalist systems can exploit workers if they choose to.

I don't think it's going too badly

A ringing endorsement of the Brexit sunlit uplands.

If someone comes to the UK from Romania or Poland to pick fruit and they are making more money and are better financially off than they would be in another country, how is that exploitation? It's an opportunity that they otherwise wouldn't have.
Farmwork usually pays piecework rates, not wages per hour. EU workers would have been given preference because they are harder working and have a better work ethic.

Ah another sarcastic post about the shit that is the UK.

Is that daily now?

@Rainbowheart1

Doesn’t matter if we stayed or left, there was always going to be pros and cons either way. No which way was perfect, hence why it split the country 50/50.

This isn't true, we all know it isn't true. Boris Johnson made that shameful lie about the £350m going to the NHS, that's why loads of people voted for Brexit.

It wasn't even legally binding, that referendum vote. What a disaster.

Pinocchio Johnson can't help himself, he lies about everything, even when it's not necessary.

Better work ethic - or more uncomplaining when subjected to backbreaking conditions? I.e. the kind that our labour standards protect us from?

Plus, there are degrees of exploitation. If they could get £4 per hour in Poland but the UK is offering £6, that's nothing to be proud of. It's a good example of exploiting desperation. But of course, I might be wrong - they may have been on a better rate over here.

NHS, HGV, food processing, abattoir employees and vets (to name a few) are all highly skilled and were paid decent, competitive wages. The UK's exploited, underpaid workforce tends to be homegrown or from Africa and Asia where they are working illegally or for gang masters.

I voted remain but smug remain voters who won’t even allow leave voters to say they’ve made a mistake really annoy me. The remain campaign was terrible. I remember watching the tv debates and getting so annoyed at people like Angela Eagle who were so weak and terrible. They never properly addressed what leave were saying and just measly complained about the other side lying - which they were but you need to explain why not moan.

Also you have to remember that leave were campaigning for the large part on a soft brexit. Most said we’d stay in the common market. Even Farage used to go on question time and go on about how great Norway had it.

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Liz Truss , Tory, thought it was a disgrace that two thirds of our cheese was imported

Thanks for that 😂 I’d forgotten about that. I’m going to watch that clip to have a laugh.

I don't know any "smug" remain voters. Just massively pissed off ones. The leave campaign was a) wholly based on lies, b) backed by almost all the newspapers and c) ran a psy ops campaign with backing from US millionaires. Of course remain were going to lose, it's just that no-one knew it at the time. Except Farage, and a few other people who had access to private polling data. The whole thing was a set up.

Pit the truth against flashy lies, who wins? Lies, everytime.

valadon68
A better work ethic. By miles.

Smug remain voters, are you having a laugh? The place has gone to shit and you think we're smug???

Jesus wept