Brexit is all going swimmingly then.

[StealthPolarBear]

Other than a few minor teething problems that let's face it no one could have ever predicted.

@Unphased

Ok, let’s look at the situation at the moment, Is the energy rises caused Brexit, No Was the fuel crisis fully caused by Brexit. No, Is Supply problems fully caused by Brexit No,

Most of the major issues are at this moment worldwide and mostly caused by the worldwide pandemic

Is the fuel shortage exacerbated by Brexit? Yes Are the supply problems exacerbated by Brexit? Yes

Is the labour shortage exacerbated by Brexit? Yes
Are rising prices exacerbated by Brexit? Yes

Is Brexit a massive problem for the UK? Yes.

Brexit is a disaster because we have a lying government who haven’t opted for the best deal.

They’ve opted for a shit show of a deal which panders to the wankers of the likes of Jacob Rees mogg.

The Tories didn’t even bother trying to get a sensible pragmatic Brexit.

Wankers.

Yawn, yawn, yawn

Heaven help us with David Frost negotiating on behalf of the country, he looks and sounds like an absolute muppet. The worst thing for me is that I used to be fairly proud to live in the UK and we had a pretty good international reputation. Now we are a bunch of con artists and twats, an international joke. The damage to our reputation as a country will probably never recover.

@Rainbowheart1

Doesn’t matter if we stayed or left, there was always going to be pros and cons either way. No which way was perfect, hence why it split the country 50/50.

It always mattered but a lot of people were ill advised or not educated enough on the topic to actually make the decision.

I cannot think of anything positive that came from Brexit. A lot of people wanted less immigrants, there are less 'unskilled' immigrants and now there are food shortages as a result. It's the jobs the British don't want to do.

Boris has just pulled £20 from the poorest in the UK. It's crazy.

Is every lung cancer death caused by smoking?
NO
ooh clever

Darlings... are you STILL in disbelief that you voted remain and you were in the minority?
Surely by now you have understood that maybe you were not so in touch with reality as you thought?
It's a shame people took part in a referendum, understanding how one works, but yet still can't get over losing?
There's this constant want for "I told you so" but do you really think this country would be better off as part of the EU? Get a hobby!

@Unphased

Ok, let’s look at the situation at the moment, Is the energy rises caused Brexit, No Was the fuel crisis fully caused by Brexit. No, Is Supply problems fully caused by Brexit No,

Most of the major issues are at this moment worldwide and mostly caused by the worldwide pandemic

Nice use of the word “fully” there.

The bit that makes me so angry is that they went ahead with this Brexit deal when covid was hitting. They could have extended due to the pandemic, but no.

Disgraceful. Anyone with any sense would have known that you can’t rush these things. Trade deals elsewhere take years to negotiate.

@RoseRedRoseBlue

"That’s not true. I voted for it and am completely prepared to admit it was a mistake."

I admire your honesty and let's face it we all have made decisions in life we later regret and kick ourselves for.

What is more galling though is people who voted leave and now claim to have voted remain or claim they didn't vote at all - I personally know one example of each.

Last word from me tonight. Probably more at a later date.
Why were there no strong campaigns to remain? I know there were voices but no dynamic attention grabbing personalities?
Corbyn had spent much of his political life voting against any proposal to do with EU in Parliament often against Blair, Brown etc. But in the end he sat on the fence. He did not speak out. Why?

@imblueduboodee

Darlings... are you STILL in disbelief that you voted remain and you were in the minority? Surely by now you have understood that maybe you were not so in touch with reality as you thought? It's a shame people took part in a referendum, understanding how one works, but yet still can't get over losing? There's this constant want for "I told you so" but do you really think this country would be better off as part of the EU? Get a hobby!

Yes, the UK would be financially and strategic ally better off in the EU.

It is absolutely bloody obvious.

@politics4me

Last word from me tonight. Probably more at a later date. Why were there no strong campaigns to remain? I know there were voices but no dynamic attention grabbing personalities? Corbyn had spent much of his political life voting against any proposal to do with EU in Parliament often against Blair, Brown etc. But in the end he sat on the fence. He did not speak out. Why?

There was a strong campaign. They just didn’t lie and go for emotive lines about £350m for the nhs.

My view is the remain campaign was flawed, quite dull and led by the wrong people.

Brexit is obviously a massive success, especially with the enormous UK gas storage facilities and robust supply chain.

@ssd

Sorry I've no time for people saying "oops silly me made a mistake "

Too fucking late and you're part of the problem

Really- so you've never made a dumb decision in life you subsequently regretted or been sold a duff product/ service from an unscrupulous sales person?

@Iggly
Surely The decisions were all made before we knew fully about Covid-19.
I think Barnier set the timetable, he would not alter it to put more pressure on us. Especially because Teresa May wasted a year.

have you been at Gove's secret stash?

Of topic but that did make me laugh 😂

Did you see the knobber raving away in an Aberdeen club recently?

@Iggly 5 years from the vote. We made our bed and have to lie in it. No point in blaming COVID.

Before the vote, our chancellor of exchequers wrote this (source below, page 6/7) and he basically said: VOTE REMAIN

“The conclusions of this document are clear: none of the alternatives support trade and provide influence on the world stage in the same way as continued membership of a reformed EU; and all of them come with serious economic costs that would affect businesses, jobs, living standards and our public finances for decades to come. To put it simply, families would be substantially worse off if Britain leaves the EU.

If we take as a central assumption that the UK would seek a negotiated bilateral agreement, like Canada has, the costs to Britain are clear. Based on the Treasury’s estimates, our GDP would be 6.2% lower, families would be £4,300 worse off and our tax receipts would face an annual £36 billion black hole. This is more than a third of the NHS budget and equivalent to 8p on the basic rate of income tax.
This analysis shows a vote to remain is therefore the best way to ensure the continued growth of the UK economy and future prosperity for this and future generations. Britain is stronger, safer and better off in the EU."

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/517415/treasuryyanalysiseconomiccimpactoffeumembershippweb.pdf

Really- so you've never made a dumb decision in life you subsequently regretted or been sold a duff product/ service from an unscrupulous sales person? Really @1dayatatime?? That hardly compares to voting to leave. I've made loads of mistakes but voting to leave is a bit bigger than a daft mistake..

rrhuth
Was the fuel shortage ( over now ) caused by Brexit, No, more by panic buying and the pandemic causing HGV driving tests to be cancelled and HGV licenses not being issued by DVLA, still over 40,000 waiting for licenses, , apparently 15,000-20,000 EU drivers returned home when they were furloughed,
Supply problems, see answer above, the whole world has supply problems, not caused by Brexit,
Labour supply problems not helped by Brexit or the pandemic, millions of people were furloughed and have changed jobs,
How are rising prices caused by Brexit, America, Europe, etc all have high inflation ( price rises )
The pandemic has been a far bigger problem then Brexit ever will be,

There's this constant want for "I told you so" but do you really think this country would be better off as part of the EU?

We sure would be and life would feel a lot less bleak currently - we'd just have to see off the pandemic, not deal with this whole heap of other problems.

One of the things that still is amazing is that it was such a close result, and yet the 48% who voted have been completely ignored, by decision makers, by the main political parties and politicians, ever since, as if their views didn't count for anything. I do wonder how history will judge it all.

@politics4me

"Brexit was not meant to be an event. It is a project.
It does not matter how individuals voted, what matters is are you willing to work for the success of your communities?"

You cannot make a success out of a bad situation until you recognise the errors that have been made.

What matters is an honest admission from both Leave and Remain voters and politicians that leaving the EU was a foolish and momentous act of self harm. But that we are we are and how do we collectively now make the best of a bad situation.

But refusing to admit it was a mistake that we are in a bad situation or that there is even a problem means that we can never collectively work towards fixing things.

@Unphased please read my last post. This might help you understand what Brexit caused.

That hardly compares to voting to leave. I've made loads of mistakes but voting to leave is a bit bigger than a daft mistake

People were lied to. They were promised lovely sunlit uplands.
I’ve a lot of sympathy for people who voted leave and regret it.

Baffled by people who simply chant “you lost, we won, get over it”
Just look at the mess you “won” for the country. You literally have nothing to celebrate except the fact you “won” Brexit.

I don’t think I’ll ever stop being angry about Brexit. But I’m not angry at regretful voters.

Agree OP it's a complete fuck up from start to finish with more clusterfucks to come