Prince Andrew no surprise

[Pixxie7]

No surprise that the met have stopped. Their investigation into PA.

[takingouttherubbish]

[quote CBUK2K]@MarieIVanArkleStinks Maybe you should let the court decide? If a rich/famous person offers an adult an all exposes paid trip and they choose to go this is not trafficking.[/quote]
It is trafficking if there is coercion, abuse of vulnerability.

[prh47bridge]

legally in the UK you do not need to prove a child is trafficked. If she was trafficked, having sex with her is rape and illegal

She was not a child.

Having sex with someone who was trafficked is only an offence if you pay for it or promise to pay for it. At the time of the alleged encounters, having sex with someone who was trafficked was not an offence.

Having sex with someone who was trafficked is only rape if they do not consent and you are aware they do not consent or are reckless about their consent. If they consent or you reasonably believe they consent it is not rape, regardless of the fact they were trafficked.

[Soggychip]

All these poor innocent men eh. "I didn't know she was trafficked" is right up there with "she enjoys rough sex".

There would have been a lot of men around JE with enough brains and awareness to have questioned how these young women came to be there. They obviously didn’t want to think about that though. Andrew is as thick as they come with an ego and sense of entitlement the size of a planet. As a pp has said, he wouldn’t be able to imagine any situation where a woman wouldn’t be thrilled to have sex with him and the only trafficking he probably knew about was involving roads and cars.

Even if Andrew is guilty of doing what VR claims, he was never going to be held accountable. The Royals will always be above the law.

[julieca]

A 17-year-old is legally a child in Britain. Yes, the age of consent is 16, but she was a child.

[SickAndTiredAgain]

[quote julieca]@throwa legally in the UK you do not need to prove a child is trafficked. If she was trafficked, having sex with her is rape and illegal.
There is zero reason legally to drop this case and there are multiple comments on this thread defending the case being dropped made by people who are demonstrating zero understanding of English law.[/quote]
Until 2009 it was not illegal to pay for sex with someone who was trafficked if you didn’t know they were trafficked.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2008/nov/19/prostitution-law-trafficked-women-smith

[takingouttherubbish]

[quote CBUK2K]@takingouttherubbish Why are you shocked, it's fact?

Yes lots of women/children are trafficked, this is an abhorrent crime that should receive very harsh sentencing.

There are also lots of attractive young women who want to live a celebrity lifestyle and are happy to trad with wealthy older men to get it.[/quote]
My post was about trafficking.

There are also lots of attractive young women who want to live a celebrity lifestyle and are happy to trad with wealthy older men to get it or it is abuse of vulnerability, abuse of low self esteem, coercion and exploitation.

[herecomesthsun]

@C8H10N4O2

That hinges on whether he knew she was trafficked

And if he took at least basic care to ensure she wasn't. All these rich, powerful men, some supposedly leading brains who apparently lacked the brain cycles to question whether all these poor background very young girls were truly consenting?

All these poor innocent men eh. "I didn't know she was trafficked" is right up there with "she enjoys rough sex".

Didn't she go to Marlborough (the alma mater of Kate Middleton)?

Was she a "poor girl"?

[ancientgran]

[quote julieca]@ancientgran Children are abused all the time because their parents cant or wont protect them.
Are you suggesting the state should not prosecute these men because their parents didn't protect them?[/quote]
I didn't mention anything about not prosecuting the men so don't make things up. I think the parents should also be prosecuted as they were clearly negligent. Don't you think parents have a responsibility to protect their children? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be happy for your child to have the sort of childhood VG seems to have had.

[prh47bridge]

PA visited Peter Nygard in 2000, when was he charged?

2020

[prh47bridge]

A 17-year-old is legally a child in Britain

True but many, on this and other threads, seem to equate being legally a minor (which she was) with being below the age of consent (which she wasn't).

[worriedatthemoment]

They cannot prosecute without evidence etc especially a crime not committed here
Your all moaning that he has been treated specially ,as it stands he hasn't as he hasn't been treated differently to anyone else
Tbf he has been found guilty by many without a trial or any hard evidence seen by them
What you have read in the paper isn't case evidence

[JudgeJ]

@KloppsTeeth

He gives me the creeps. He is such an arse.

He may/is both of those things but what crime has he committed on UK soil? He has/had some dodgy friends but what evidence is there except the word of this woman? People may not like it but at the end of the day there needs to be evidence. No doubt she will get her pay-off in the US courts, her father has also said he wants to grab money off PA too which is appalling, maybe the American authorities should investigate a father who lets his 14 year old child out of his care.

[LaetitiaASD]

@Pythonista

The queen will throw him under the bus to protect the crown. So will Charles and William

[This post assumes that he is found guilty or the evidence is clear and he somehow gets off]... I'm no supporter of the royals, but it is at least theoretically possible that the the queen (and charles and will) will throw him under and bus because they don't like sex offenders more than the rest of us.

[prh47bridge]

Didn't she go to Marlborough (the alma mater of Kate Middleton)?

There seems to be some confusion creeping in! Ghislaine Maxwell went to Marlborough. The person being referred to as a "poor girl" is Virginia Giuffre who grew up in California and was definitely not educated at Marlborough.

[worriedatthemoment]

@HouseOfFire yes thats my understanding rules of the country
Like some prescription meds are banned / illegal in some countries whilst here allowed

[LaetitiaASD]

[quote CBUK2K]@takingouttherubbish Are you referring to the low self-esteem of the wealthy guy or the pretty girl? It's pretty naive to assume man bad, woman good. Lots of women go in to this very much with their eyes open. There are websites full of them, no one is making them sign up.[/quote]
Whilst no-one forced them to sign up, I'm also pretty sure that no-one made any efforts to create a world where women had plenty of opportunities and that left prostitution to look like an exceptionally bad option.

[worriedatthemoment]

@BordelDeMerde they are still available as they always had been and you had plenty of time before if you needed

[thebabessavedme]

Lets put aside the 'trafficked' argument for a moment - PA is a man accused of one of the worst crimes, rape. Surely a man who is innocent of this crime would be shouting it from the roof tops, PA can afford the very best lawyers/PR etc, instead he has come up with a ridiculous interview and then hidden behind the royal institution, there is a photo with his arm around this girl, and she was a girl at the time, , for many many years the press called him 'randy andy' Why, I wonder?

I believe Virginia!

[worriedatthemoment]

@Isabellabasil what a stuck up post I know dome highly intelligent people who voted brexit , even some europeans who had a vote
Shock , horror

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

it is at least theoretically possible that the the queen (and charles and will) will throw him under and bus because they don't like sex offenders more than the rest of us

Actually, Charles at least seems pretty keen on sex offenders - Jimmy Savile, Peter Ball, Laurens van der Post et al - so I'm not sure why he'd care about Andrew palling up with one more

There's also the point that, depending on how much Andrew might be able to spill about him, Charles may not find it easy to chuck his brother under a bus

I wonder if it's time for Andrew to get another gong from mummy (though I'm not sure what's left that he doesn't already have)?