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Prince Andrew no surprise

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Pixxie7 · 10/10/2021 22:41

No surprise that the met have stopped. Their investigation into PA.

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Jaysmith71 · 11/10/2021 17:31

I think Ireland had a differential age for boys and gilrs and the ECHR said this was sex discrimination. So they met in the middle at 17.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/10/2021 17:33

Prince Charles has a wide ranging set of interests eg. architecture, painting, organic farming, conservation, classical music etc. etc. not one of his interests could have possibly overlapped with JS' interests. On what basis could they have been friends?

I can't know just how "friendly" they were, but from Savile's POV the obvious motivation would have been to lend himself an air of respectability - and maybe, like Peter Ball, to get a useful idiot on his side who'd speak up for him if he was caught out

Prince Charles has access to the most highly respected counsellors, therapists, philosophers, gurus and clergy in the world to discuss his emotional life. Why on earth would he value the judgment of a sleazy, creepy DJ who never managed to make any relationship work?

You might equally ask why he valued his associations with van der Post, Mountbatten and the already-mentioned Peter Ball among others
Perhaps it's because he's a judgement-free zone himself, and therefore vulnerable to manipulation by such folk - also why, in at least Ball's case, he's been officially criticised for it

julieca · 11/10/2021 17:35

I posted that Charles and Saville met through their support for disabled sport. So yes it was through a charitable endeavour they met, and they became friends.

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Jaysmith71 · 11/10/2021 17:37

A bit of ferreting online would reveal the details of Charles' pre-Diana relationships, where posh debs were provided for him on approval on board the Royal Train in a siding somewhere. Perhaps including Di's big sister Sarah.

prh47bridge · 11/10/2021 17:37

@julieca

Italy does have a close-in-age rule where 13-year-olds can legally consent to partners who are less than three years older (or younger).
Yes, a number of countries have a close in age exemption so that someone just over the age of consent can have sex with someone just under (the age of consent in Italy is 14). None have anything restricting who someone can have sex with once they are over the age of consent, which is what you were claiming.
julieca · 11/10/2021 17:38

@julieca

If you met a family where the father had been good friends with Jimmy Saville and the Uncle had been close friends with Epstein and had been accused of having sex with a trafficked girl, would you let your 15-year old daughter visit for a sleepover? Would you let them babysit your 8-year-old daughter? Or would you recognise the red flags glaring at you?
I will always think this. There are so many red flags. And yet my taxes pay for these people and we are supposed to look up to them. If they lived in some local council houses they would be seen as local scum.
IrishMel · 11/10/2021 17:44

Knew that would happen. The firm will protect him and his seedy little world. He is a sweaty gross man who has no shame or guilt but only feels entitlement. How can he sleep at night. He is just disgusting and so are all those protecting him.

Roussette · 11/10/2021 17:48

BoredZelda

Entirely possible for something to go on in a house and a guest has no idea. Young girls come and go in various places for various reasons and they aren’t being trafficked

Haha, as if!
The house was full of young girls coming and going, we're not talking 20 year olds, this is young teens. As if you would have no idea. But hang on a minute, even when he did have an idea, he carried on the friendship and only stopped it when forced to.

Also the mansion in NY.... a human chessboard in the entrance hall with women in erotic poses, a wall full of moulded breasts, and so on... you'd have to be deluded not to get what was going on. Others have said how obvious it all was.

It was the equivalent of an upmarket brothel.

Roussette · 11/10/2021 17:59

However much you insist she was a child, it is not a crime for a man of any age to have sex with a girl who is over the age of consent

How many times do we have to repeat the same thing. In NY she was not over the age of consent and the fact PA may have had sex with her in places other than NY, is irrelevant. And she was trafficked.
She was NOT over the age of consent.

Maybe so, but the age of consent is 16, so not illegal. You keep on saying the same thing, but the law is the law and until such time as it changes, a 16-year-old can legally have sex with anyone else who is over 16

Incorrect. See above.

Serenster · 11/10/2021 18:03

This thread is entirely about the Met police dropping their iUK nvestigation, Roussette. The fact that other jurisdictions have different ages of consent in completely irrelevant - the Met’s investigation is governed by UK law where she was over the age of consent.

worriedatthemoment · 11/10/2021 18:08

@Serenster exactly

julieca · 11/10/2021 18:11

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Prince Andrew no surprise
queenofarles · 11/10/2021 18:18

In NY she was not over the age of consent she was 17 , age of consent is in New York is 17

SpindleWhirl · 11/10/2021 18:19

Charles will be on the One Show tonight giving his thoughts on Extinction Rebellion while chuckling.

Roussette · 11/10/2021 18:23

This thread is entirely about the Met police dropping their iUK nvestigation, Roussette

I'm answering other people actually Serenster and they werent talking about the police dropping the investigation.

queen I have read in more than one place that at the time the age of consent was not 17. In Florida for instance, she was under the age of consent. But more importantly, if you are trafficked age of consent is irrelevant.

2bazookas · 11/10/2021 18:24

@Heresme33

Oh what a surprise another cover up for the royals sure we knew that was coming.
Hardly "a cover up" !!! The entire world knows about Epstein and that PA supported him; and that PA has been implicated and accused. He;s currently facing a civil case in USA which is sure to have global publicity. He's been shunned and humiliated BY the royal family, banished from public sight, barely allowed to show his face at his daughter's wedding. The RF could hardly have made their fury more obvious ( short of locking him in the tower). The RF must be sweating cobs waiting for Meghan and Oprah to stage a running commentary on the US civil court case .
Roussette · 11/10/2021 18:29

The RF must be sweating cobs waiting for Meghan and Oprah to stage a running commentary on the US civil court case

Ridiculous comment. Not once have they even mentioned his name. Not once.

The RF are supporting Andrew. His massive legal bills are being paid for by his Mother, he still lives in the huge and luxurious Royal Lodge, Windsor, he can holiday at all the other mansions and palaces. I hardly call it 'showing their fury'.
He has to keep his head down because of public opinion.

julieca · 11/10/2021 18:31

Andrew is not shunned by the RF. The Queen has been publicly supporting him.

Blossomtoes · 11/10/2021 18:43

He's been shunned and humiliated BY the royal family, banished from public sight, barely allowed to show his face at his daughter's wedding

That’s true. Those wedding photos were very telling.

Roussette · 11/10/2021 18:46

Good news. He has to hide, I actually never want to see his smug face again unless it's giving evidence

SpindleWhirl · 11/10/2021 18:50

He's not exactly a popular man, is he?

MissMarpleRocks · 11/10/2021 18:54

Whether some on this thread like it or not, the Met have concluded there is not enough evidence to proceed against PA at this present time.

Evidence is required in a court of law & even if the Met had decided there was enough evidence to present to the CPS to secure a charge, the CPS may have decided there was insufficient evidence to secure a conviction & would not proceed.

Whatever people’s personal opinions I hope some of you realise that the law is there to protect us all equally & there is such a thing as innocent till proven guilty.

PA may be guilty but equally he may not. I personally don’t think he’s particularly bright & surrounded by yes people his entire life, I can easily believe, sickening as it is, he thought this very young girl was interested in his as he was a prince.

awaynboilyurheid · 11/10/2021 19:03

He’s close friends with a paedophile, his pimp Ghislaine is smiling away, he’s got his arm round a vulnerable trafficked girl in a picture, but yes totally innocent. Nothing to see here …Sarah Ferguson, who he bankrolls, says he’s wonderful so he must be, the RF will just wait till they hope the plebs forget then he’ll be back.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 11/10/2021 19:05

The legal position on this one is interesting.

He's under no obligation to engage in any way with civil proceedings petitioned in the US. Had he not responded, Virginia Giuffre would have won by default, but it would have been a pyric victory as no settlement could have been enforced. This would seem to have been his lawyers' original position.

As they continued to dodge service of the papers and public condemnation grew, they then seemingly decided they would respond. That's where it gets interesting. If her legal team can show that there has been any form of engagement, then in the event that Giuffre does win, a settlement can be enforced.

The really interesting thing is that the whole thing seems to have been a calculated move to get him to talk. If he does that - and we saw where this led with the Maitlis interview - he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and could potentially open up the door to criminal proceedings on the back of it.

If I'd been on his legal team I'd have firmly advised him to keep his trap shut, no matter how unpopular it made him look.

Jackofallsorts · 11/10/2021 19:11

For the record I don't believe his story. I believe her 100%.
But...
I really don't know how the Met could have continued with this. There is no evidence he committed a crime in the U.K.
There seems to be scant evidence he committed a crime in the US.
It's her word against his (like it always is in these circumstances unfortunately)
Being an arsehole is not a crime

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