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Anyone follow the coverage of the Sarah Everard case today and want to vent?

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HangingOver · 29/09/2021 14:05

I'm home alone today and except for whatsapping my friends have nothing to do with this incandescent rage and hopeless sadness.

Anyone else need to talk? Sad

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Bordois · 29/09/2021 16:02

He didn't fraudulently arrest her though...

He was a serving policeman who used his legitimate powers to lawfully arrest Sarah. She went willingly and without a fight because of this - even cooperating whilst he cuffed her.

Thats what makes this so terrifying.

Gurgledrain · 29/09/2021 16:04

@waterSpider

... and does present an issue in future when male cops arrest women. Not sure how that can best be handled.
What? We are talking about a male police officer who raped and murdered a woman. That can't be handled.
ancientgran · 29/09/2021 16:04

[quote Pikamoo]@ancientgran I do include DH in that fuck all men. Just because I love him doesn't mean he's not a man. Its like racism, you can't disclaim all responsibility as a white person just because a person of colour loves you or deems you not racist.[/quote]
I'm not sure I could have a relationship with my DH if I felt like that.

Simonjt · 29/09/2021 16:04

Another huge issue as well is that this is unlikely to have been a one off situation, it is highly likely he has ‘arrested’ other women before. Someone just wouldn’t go from ‘minor’ assaults to this, these things slowlt build up and become more severe.

I coach rugby, any concern about me at all leads to an instant suspension while an investigation takes place, no matter how ‘minor’ the allegation. Why is this not standard in our public services?

NoLongerADoormat · 29/09/2021 16:05

@Bordois that's exactly it. The arrest. She wouldn't have known what was going to happen. We're literally not safe anywhere as women

RedMarauder · 29/09/2021 16:05

@pelosi

Have been reading the Guardian updates with disbelief.

For me it's been a cumulative effect. I live near where Levi Bellfield hit women in the head to knock them out and still dread driving down those roads. That's been exacerbated by what Sabina Nessa went through (she was also hit on the head with a heavy object). I am now continually looking around me.

I have no idea what my rights are with regards to male police. If they try and speak to me in a dark street or in a quiet place, do I have the right to run? Or will I be charged for resisting arrest?

Something like this will happen to you - www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/18/nurse-claims-met-police-wrongfully-arrested-her-because-she-black-neomi-bennett

The police do threaten bystanders who ask them what they are up to with arrest.

ancientgran · 29/09/2021 16:05

@Bordois

He didn't fraudulently arrest her though...

He was a serving policeman who used his legitimate powers to lawfully arrest Sarah. She went willingly and without a fight because of this - even cooperating whilst he cuffed her.

Thats what makes this so terrifying.

Sorry I haven't read all the details, what was he lawfully arresting her for?
WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 29/09/2021 16:07

Women should be wary of the police. This case is shocking and took away a young womans life but there are lots of examples of not such extreme cases
Police using their power to harass women they are splitting up with, the blatant misogyny in the police, higher than average rates of domestic abusers in the police, the police adopting political ideologies that are anti women, arresting women for minor offences that do not follow their ideology

HeronLanyon · 29/09/2021 16:08

It made me think of ever I see a male officer arresting a woman I’m going to intervene and ask her if she’s ok. I’m at the criminal bar and spend my life cross examining officers and so know exactly whether an arrest is lawful if I need to ever get involved. Then I thought of all the young black vous/men I represent who are unlawfully stopped or unlawfully arrested.
The vast majority of police officer in my experience are good, honest, hugely overworked and underpaid. This is a disaster for community trust and respect.

ancientgran · 29/09/2021 16:09

@Bordois

I'll lock myself in my car and demand a female officer until it gets through. Shame on them.

The only flaw in that plan being that "female" is now a fluid term.

And Fred West managed to lure many women to their deaths because Rose was with him. Same for Ian Brady except with him it was children and he had the assistance of Myra. I'm not sure a woman necessarily gives protection.
BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand · 29/09/2021 16:09

@Simonjt

Another huge issue as well is that this is unlikely to have been a one off situation, it is highly likely he has ‘arrested’ other women before. Someone just wouldn’t go from ‘minor’ assaults to this, these things slowlt build up and become more severe.

I coach rugby, any concern about me at all leads to an instant suspension while an investigation takes place, no matter how ‘minor’ the allegation. Why is this not standard in our public services?

I agree. This won't be the first time he's raped a woman. He may done it with women he dated or was in relationships with, or targeted strangers who were too intimidated or vulnerable to report (e.g. prostituted women).
NoLongerADoormat · 29/09/2021 16:09

I don't wanna ever see sympathy toward this disgusting abomination of a police force in my life. They are a complete joke and the frightening thing is anyone can be arrested, even off duty they can arrest

Bordois · 29/09/2021 16:09

Sorry I haven't read all the details, what was he lawfully arresting her for?

Breaching lockdown

HeronLanyon · 29/09/2021 16:11

It wasn’t a lawful arrest from the facts as disclosed today. He used language about Covid breaches and she will perhaps have thought it was lawful. Use of handcuffs is additionally covered by guidance. None of the circs where they are authorised applied here and clouds never have given the stop and then the arrest were both unlawful.

milveycrohn · 29/09/2021 16:11

@ancientgran Covid restrictions at the time meant you were not supposed to visit another household unless you were in a 'support bubble'. Of course, many people probably did, but remember pubs, cinemas etc were closed, and advice to WFH, so there were probably fewer people about; possibly joggers exercising.
So, fewer people about means fewer witnesses for the perpetrator (who seems to have planned this premedidated attack).
Also, there could have been an expectation in the mind of Sarah, that she might be stopped by the police.

wewereliars · 29/09/2021 16:13

One of the reasons this is so bone crushingly awful is that he took away any avenue for her to escape, suspect or evade him, by using his warrant card and police handcuffs.

Any one watching would have been very unlikely to have intervened even if she had thought something was amiss. He is a wicked piece of filth, but he was enabled by the misogyny of the Met police. He should not have been on the front line with a warrant card after the flashing reports.

RIP Sarah Flowers

BobbiPinsOn · 29/09/2021 16:13

i am

Pikamoo · 29/09/2021 16:13

We need massive changes to try and go a little way to redressing the imbalance between men and women. A start can be women are not arrested for non-violent offences. If a woman commits an offence she is given a summons to present herself to a police station within an appropriate time period.

I hadn't read that about his nickname among "the lads". Disgusting. I hope they are all held to account. I'm sure they won't be. I hope they at least feel responsible.

Badgercity · 29/09/2021 16:13

I think this makes it clear that he should be sentenced to a whole of life order. -

Aggravating and Mitigating Factors
Having set a starting point the court must take into account any aggravating or mitigating factors, to the extent that it has not allowed for them in its choice of starting point (paragraph 8, Schedule 21).

Under paragraph 9, detailed consideration of aggravating or mitigating factors may result in a minimum term of any length (whatever the starting point) or in the making of a whole life order.

Aggravating factors that may be relevant include:

a) a significant degree of planning or premeditation;
b) the victim was vulnerable because of age or disability;
c) mental or physical suffering inflicted on the victim before death;
d) the abuse of a position of trust;
e) the use of duress or threats against another person to facilitate the commission of the offence;
f) the victim was providing a public service or performing a public duty; and
g) concealment, destruction or dismemberment of the body.

Mitigating factors include:

a) an intention to cause serious bodily harm rather than kill;
b) lack of premeditation;
c) the offender suffers from a mental disorder or disability (not falling within section 2(1) of the Homicide Act 1957) which lowered their degree of culpability;
d) the offender was provoked in a way not amounting to a defence of provocation;
e) the offender acted to any extent in self-defence;
f) a belief by the offender that the murder was an act of mercy;
g) the age of the offender.

The court should also consider any previous convictions, whether the offence was committed on bail and if the offender pleaded guilty.

The court should take into account any period the offender has spent on remand in connection with the offence or a related offence. The offender will get no credit for time served on remand unless it is taken into account when setting the minimum term. The court should normally subtract the time for which the offender was remanded from the punitive period it would otherwise impose in order to reach the minimum term.

TaraR2020 · 29/09/2021 16:14

@Bordois

He didn't fraudulently arrest her though...

He was a serving policeman who used his legitimate powers to lawfully arrest Sarah. She went willingly and without a fight because of this - even cooperating whilst he cuffed her.

Thats what makes this so terrifying.

It was fraudulent because he didn't arrest her and then decide to rape, murder and burn her- the point of the arrest was to do just that.
IndigoC · 29/09/2021 16:14

The impact statements from her family have shattered me. Especially her poor sister’s.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 29/09/2021 16:14

I'm not reading it. I can't bear to know what that monster did to her. The news about what Sabina Nessa endured made me feel sick and I couldn't stop thinking about it all day.

The extent of what men are capable of doing to women is absolutely horrifying. Poor, poor Sarah.

Comedycook · 29/09/2021 16:15

I heard the description of the attack on the radio this afternoon. Absolutely horrendous. What is terrifying to me is that even if she had screamed when he put her in handcuffs, chances are nothing would have been done because if you saw a woman screaming and a policeman putting her in handcuffs you'd just assume she was resisting arrest. It's like something out of a horror movie. Her poor family

boireannach · 29/09/2021 16:15

@HangingOver “It’s everywhere, it’s in the fuckin walls” That’s it described perfectly.

Insidelaurashead · 29/09/2021 16:17

It's sickening, I feel so sorry for the people who witnessed her 'arrest' too, the guilt they must feel. They couldn't have known, they are not to blame whatsoever, but they will feel it I bet. And the fact the scummy police used Sarah's vigil to tackle women to the ground too-just disgusts me