so what are you going to do when there is no more petrol at all?

[Orangejuicemarathoner]

All these people all over the media and social media saying why they personally need petrol over other people, because their job is more important/their need is greatest/they have no alternative, or whatever.

They don't seem to realise that petrol is expected to run out completely in their life time anyway. 4-5 decades, most projections, although it is likely to become unavailable to private citizens a long time before that, maybe 20-30 years before.

What are these people planning to do then?

What are these people planning to do if the country does run out next week, or next month, or next year, any of which is possibly after Brexit, and what are they planning to do in a world or a country without petrol?

@Flipflopblowout

We can go back to using horses and then we can worry about what we'll do with all of the horse shit that is lying in the streets

Use it to grow nice veg

Better bus service isn’t going to stop me needing a car for my work though as it just takes such a long time to get anywhere with it being so rural, the hospital is 25 miles away from me if I decided to nurse there instead of the community, I can do 40 miles just at work and that doesn’t take into consideration I would need 2 or 3 buses to get to all the different places I would need to get to for my visits. Even taking my children to school would require a bus change so putting on more buses doesn’t solve the rural problem

What's so bad about a bus change? People really are addicted to the convenience of car travel and have forgotten how to plan.

Also, CO2 is NOT a pollutant. It’s a greenhouse gas. When we talk about pollutants, it should be things harmful to human health and plant life (and not in the existential sense either)

OFFS.

Didn't you go to school?

I could cry at the level of ignorance in a country where education is supposedly compulsory

This is primary level stuff, come on.

@ArcheryAnnie

What's so bad about a bus change? People really are addicted to the convenience of car travel and have forgotten how to plan.

The time it adds, and the general increase in unreliability - if you need three buses to get somewhere, and one of the first two is late and you miss a connection, you can be adding another 30-60 mins, depending on frequency

So either you have to leave terrifically early (so you've allowed the time) or you know you could be late, which can be stressful.

And yes, too much of society is set up on the basis that people will drive. I'd like to see that gently unpicked.

I’d imagine if there is no petrol at all then the whole of society will have had a big make over and our choices then will be based around those changes.

We will either have lots of new technologies or we will be living and working much nearer our homes than we currently do and food will be more localised.

Same thing I've been doing - walking or taking public transport.

@Orangejuicemarathoner

Also, CO2 is NOT a pollutant. It’s a greenhouse gas. When we talk about pollutants, it should be things harmful to human health and plant life (and not in the existential sense either)

OFFS.

Didn't you go to school?

I could cry at the level of ignorance in a country where education is supposedly compulsory

This is primary level stuff, come on.

CO2 is not harmful to human health.

Your car exhaust fumes put out a lot of other stuff like nitrogen oxide directly harmful to my health and kills loads of people every year (look up heart attacks and air pollution) and is directly responsible for things like the rise in childhood asthma. Yet this never gets a fraction of the press that carbon emissions do …..

You could argue that there is an indirect threat to public health via climate change but I think it’s essential to retain a distinction between air pollution that directly harms your health (I’ve lived near a coal plant, I know all about this crap) and things like carbon dioxide.

But please, regale me with your primary school understanding of CO2 😂🤡

AuntieStella exactly - but plenty of people do it. The trick is building that time into your day, and then finding a way to use it productively, like listening to an audio book, or reading through paperwork, or managing your diary on your phone, or whatever.

Co2 would kill you. Directly OR indirectly. Why do you not know that?

Nitrogen oxides do not come out of cars fuel, they come from the air. The air is mostly nitrogen, and what isn't nitrogen is mostly oxygen. This is where your nitrogen oxides come from.

Co2 is a pollutant. There are other pollutants. Co2 gets attention. Other pollutants get attention.

I am a scientist. Why are you sneering at primary level science? You dont seem to know any.

@Orangejuicemarathoner

Co2 would kill you. Directly OR indirectly. Why do you not know that?

Nitrogen oxides do not come out of cars fuel, they come from the air. The air is mostly nitrogen, and what isn't nitrogen is mostly oxygen. This is where your nitrogen oxides come from.

Co2 is a pollutant. There are other pollutants. Co2 gets attention. Other pollutants get attention.

I am a scientist. Why are you sneering at primary level science? You dont seem to know any.

Lol ok scientist. Nitrogen oxides from car exhaust directly kills thousands of people in the UK alone. Look up the link between bad air quality days and hospital admissions for cardiovascular health.

And carbon dioxide is harmless to human health. I mean, by your definition, you could argue that oxygen can directly kill people. But in everyday life, this is just not true.