so what are you going to do when there is no more petrol at all?

[Orangejuicemarathoner]

All these people all over the media and social media saying why they personally need petrol over other people, because their job is more important/their need is greatest/they have no alternative, or whatever.

They don't seem to realise that petrol is expected to run out completely in their life time anyway. 4-5 decades, most projections, although it is likely to become unavailable to private citizens a long time before that, maybe 20-30 years before.

What are these people planning to do then?

What are these people planning to do if the country does run out next week, or next month, or next year, any of which is possibly after Brexit, and what are they planning to do in a world or a country without petrol?

@UsedUpUsername tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/urban-population-percent-of-total-wb-data.html#:~:text=Urban%20population%20(%25%20of%20total%20population)%20in%20United%20Kingdom%20was,compiled%20from%20officially%20recognized%20sources.

Urban population (% of total population) in United Kingdom was reported at 83.9 % in 2020, according to the World Bank collection of development indicators, compiled from officially recognized sources. United Kingdom - Urban population (% of total) - actual values, historical data, forecasts and projections were sourced from the World Bank on September of 2021.

It includes towns probably. Most towns have some sort of bus system, its just terrible.

Electric cars innit

@UsedUpUsername en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

It doesn't matter if you think it's ridiculous @UsedUpUsername, it's happening.

@UsedUpUsername en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Finchley

Does this area look like central london to you? But we are in the ULEZ zone from october and almost wound up in the congestion zone (before the idea was dropped). So basically residents can't own any high emission cars unless they want to pay £12.50 per day to drive it. I can fully imagine it being just electric cars rather than simply low emission cars...

Petrol cars are being banned by governments (or at least the sale of new petrol cars is being banned. Car manufacturers are switching away from petrol, you won't be able to buy one when they're no longer being manufactured.

people can buy old petrol cars if they really wanted to. What would really make a difference (and i think the government would do it in the cities) is if they imposed a charge for anyone driving a petrol car within the city boundaries.

@ejhhhhh

It doesn't matter if you think it's ridiculous *@UsedUpUsername*, it's happening.

Not without strict government interference. Do you really think the EV industry can scale that fast even if you were most everyone wants to switch?

And what’s the point of links on urbanisation?

@Frostine

I had a DPD delivery this morning , he was saying the £30 limit for fuel is not very helpful for them, include the 30 minutes queue and perhaps done a few times a day , equals less home delivery / no deliveries.

No neither is the £15 limit Carers were allowed in Morrisons where I live. The Esso garage refused to sell me any at all even with proof that I'm an essential worker. That £15 will barely last me until payday and then I'll be back to worrying about trying to keep my car running

@onlychildhamster - it will be gradual, but most people won't buy petrol cars second hand if the running costs go too high compared to electric.

I remember years ago watching a top gear episode when James May spoke to a classic car enthusiast, and mentioned the "new" electric cars. The guy surprisingly for then said he thought that would be how most people travelled for normal commuting/day to day car driving, and all petrol cars would become like horses - something that used to be a normal mode of transport for most people and is now a hobby thing.

The biggest development will not be electric cars, but self driving.

Once a car van drop you at work then go get the next person, it won't be economically viable or desirable to own a car.

Most people will subscribe, like Netflix or Amazon, but the total number of cars will need to be far fewer, which in turn will save more energy than simply moving away from fossil fuels.

Well I need diseal so im okay

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@UsedUpUsername

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1005301/transitioning-to-zero-emission-cars-vans-2035-delivery-plan.pdf

By 2035 all new cars will be electric
Yes you can buy second hand but already you can see major cities imposing an emissions tax. I have an old diseal from october I cant drive it into London, I can't drive in Birmingham or Bath city centre without paying an emissions tax

So it will happen.

Yep, we need diesel to tow our caravan, by the time they are banned though I will probably be dead so won't be driving anyway

@UsedUpUsername they're already scaling up, they've got 10 years in the UK, I think it will happen. The EU have the same ban coming in, as do the US. With an increase in EV infrastructure and the introduction of self driving cars (so lots of people don't own their own cars) I don't see why it won't happen.

Well people's circumstances will change when petrol becomes harder to get. Companies will have to react to keep the workforces working again, like moving to more remote ways of working etc. Companies that require physical elements will probably have grants towards electric cars or bikes etc.

The world hasnt adapted to so all this yet but it is leaning that way. With 50 years notice, it'll just happen when it has to

@UsedUpUsername People in urban areas are most likely to switch to electric as it might become hard to drive anywhere if you don't have an electric car. Unless you want to pay lots of fees.

I could buy a small plug in car but instead I am going to buy a diesel Motorhome for weekends away when we don't want to drag the caravan and have a last hoorah. I know which is more fun.

[quote ejhhhhh]@UsedUpUsername they're already scaling up, they've got 10 years in the UK, I think it will happen. The EU have the same ban coming in, as do the US. With an increase in EV infrastructure and the introduction of self driving cars (so lots of people don't own their own cars) I don't see why it won't happen.[/quote]
Personally I think you all are too optimistic, and just WANT to see it happen and aren’t thinking of the constraints.

That said; I’m not against electric vehicles on principle. I think cities should gently encourage EVs because of noise pollution and air pollution (NOT CO2 emissions but actual air pollution).

But I don’t like the thought of government forcing this change.

It could also be said that you just don't WANT to believe in climate change, if you don't think CO2 emissions are real air pollution @UsedUpUsername. Just because you don't believe in something, doesn't meant the rest of the world is going to agree with you. It seems like wishful thinking on your behalf if you don't think we're in for some drastic lifestyle changes (and yes, that will mean lots of government interference) as a consequence of global heating.

onlychildhamster

What part of in 2035 all new car sales will be electric do you not understand to see that there will be an all electric car future. Because they will jack up the prices of petrol and diseal to force you to go electric.

@Spectre8 they will ban private individuals from selling their old petrol cars? I do agree everyone in urban areas would have electric cars due to taxes but it wouldn't be 100%

But electric cars are really bad for the environment too so shouldn’t we put the electric smugness to one side- the making of batteries, mining for lithium, their reliance on fossil fuels to make the electricity. You’re just punting it down the line to make things better for rich countries but the damage is still there.

Hopefully the bus and train services will improve a lot.

In Mexico there are buses all the time from every town on a joined up network - so you could walk into a bus station and figure out quite quickly how to make a journey to somewhere as far as eight hours away, and then just pop on a bus soon after and make a few changes, even from really little towns, and the buses travel all through the night.

Where I live, in the southwest, the bus service is dire. They often don’t turn up at all, are late or you manage to get one and it takes you the most complicated route possible - and the fare costs more than fuel would!

They get into the main towns at times there are unsuitable for the working day and stop relatively early in the evening, so it is not surprising that most people drive. If the service improved and the wasn’t so expensive then more people would use it and maybe the bus companies would be able to justify some direct routes.

[quote onlychildhamster]@UsedUpUsername en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Finchley

Does this area look like central london to you? But we are in the ULEZ zone from october and almost wound up in the congestion zone (before the idea was dropped). So basically residents can't own any high emission cars unless they want to pay £12.50 per day to drive it. I can fully imagine it being just electric cars rather than simply low emission cars...[/quote]
I live very near here, slightly further out,and I don't own a car and have never learned to drive. I have two children. It is completely unnecessary to own a car here if you are not disabled. I am 100% in favour of the ulez extension.