Campaigners lose abortion fight

[EmeraldRaine]

Heidi Crowter and a few others were campaigning to remove the right for women to choose abortion if their baby was found to be affected by Downs syndrome. These campaigners feel that women shouldn't have the right to terminate a pregnancy because the foetus has Downs Syndrome, because it discriminates against people with Downs syndrome.

Cant help but think that this was a victory for common sense. Downs syndrome like every other disability is different from person to person and lots of people would feel unable to cope with a child with a lifelong disability. To say that isn't discriminating against disabled people. The only person who has the right to choose in every single case, is the woman who is pregnant. Perhaps these campaigners would be better off campaiging for better support for disabled people and their carers than trying to remove women's rights to make decisions that are best for them.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-58662846

@Jobseeker19

Thats why I said healthy child, healthy mother no risk at all. Should the mother decide if the baby should survive? Yes or no?

Show me how often this happens

But I still support the mother, or sorry should that be incubator and handmaiden ?

Support the woman

Today 20:19 IfImLyingImDying

FFS the hyperbolic fantasy on this thread. I’d hate to be in some of your heads

The point is, not ALL fetus’ (yes without an O) are capable of independent life and that’s why the option is there. No one is aborting fetus’ at 39 or 40 weeks just because they have Down’s Syndrome. It’s right there on page 1 of this thread. It 👏 does 👏 not 👏 happen. So give it a rest with the sick hypothetical fantasies for god sake.“

That’s exactly what some posters are advocating though, the right for any pregnancy to end in abortion up to full term, for any reason.

That’s all I was responding to because I don’t agree. A difference of opinion is allowed.

@MrsSkylerWhite

Today 20:19 IfImLyingImDying

FFS the hyperbolic fantasy on this thread. I’d hate to be in some of your heads

The point is, not ALL fetus’ (yes without an O) are capable of independent life and that’s why the option is there. No one is aborting fetus’ at 39 or 40 weeks just because they have Down’s Syndrome. It’s right there on page 1 of this thread. It 👏 does 👏 not 👏 happen. So give it a rest with the sick hypothetical fantasies for god sake.“

That’s exactly what some posters are advocating though, the right for any pregnancy to end in abortion up to full term, for any reason.

That’s all I was responding to because I don’t agree. A difference of opinion is allowed.

Sure you can have a difference of opinion (opinions are like arseholes right?).

But this is NOT what the thread is about. The point you are trying to argue doesn’t even exist. Neither does the other side’s.

That’s exactly what some posters are advocating though, the right for any pregnancy to end in abortion up to full term, for any reason

Do you not understand that it is in essence a hypothetical? IF you remove the legal restrictions on abortion, there wont suddenly be more late term abortions.

FYI “as early as possible, as late as necessary” does not allude to women aborting healthy fetus’ at 40 weeks. The key is in the “necessary”.

I think @Jobseeker19 and a few others are trolling or playing devil's advocate just to wind people up. Women don't abort past the standard point of foetal viability unless their life is at risk or the foetus will either die at or soon after birth or have a very low quality of life. Full stop. End of discussion. Any argument about women who might decide to abort a healthy foetus three weeks before their due date because they're bored of being pregnant is misogynistic and in very, very bad faith. We should just ignore them (or MNHQ should shut them down).

Why is a wanted child a baby and an unwanted one a fetus. Its dehumanising IMHO.

But this is NOT what the thread is about. The point you are trying to argue doesn’t even exist. Neither does the other side’s“

There are posters on this thread arguing in favour of full term abortions. Those are what I was responding to because I disagree with that point of view.

Apologies, didn’t realise I had to seek your permission to disagree with third party opinion.

@Viviennemary

Why is a wanted child a baby and an unwanted one a fetus. Its dehumanising IMHO.

Because medically a baby is a fetus until it’s taken it’s first breath. It’s just proper terminology to differentiate the different stages of “life”.

@Viviennemary

Why is a wanted child a baby and an unwanted one a fetus. Its dehumanising IMHO.

It's not. They are all foetus' until they are born, but the people having wanted ones often like to refer to them as babies. If you find it dehumanising that's probably because they're not actual human persons until they are born.

@MrsSkylerWhite

But this is NOT what the thread is about. The point you are trying to argue doesn’t even exist. Neither does the other side’s“

There are posters on this thread arguing in favour of full term abortions. Those are what I was responding to because I disagree with that point of view.

Apologies, didn’t realise I had to seek your permission to disagree with third party opinion.

Again you’ve missed the point. They are arguing for full term abortions when necessary.

There are posters on this thread arguing in favour of full term abortions. Those are what I was responding to because I disagree with that point of view

Nobody at all is arguing FOR full term abortions. Not one single person here is pro that. We're saying that the legal restrictions should be removed.

@Viviennemary

Why is a wanted child a baby and an unwanted one a fetus. Its dehumanising IMHO.

The same reason as I called my wanted pregnancies babies from the moment I did the test, and when I had an unwanted pregnancy it was a bundle of cells.

It was the meaning I attached to the same situation, because I get to make decisions like that about what is growing in my body.

Again you’ve missed the point. They are arguing for full term abortions when necessary.“

No, you’re missing my point. Not scrolling through the thread again now. “For any reason” was cited as valid by a PP.

That is what I disagree with.

@YorkshireTeapot91

How anyone could justify abortion of any kind, for any reason, is evil beyond words. Of course, abortion is a single act of discrimination against the unborn child’s right to life. And the same individuals that condone it quite ironically (and rightly) condemn the Nazis for their atrocities, a major one being the act of abortion.

😂

What it must be like to live with your mind… it must be the 8th wonder of the world in there.

@YorkshireTeapot91

How anyone could justify abortion of any kind, for any reason, is evil beyond words. Of course, abortion is a single act of discrimination against the unborn child’s right to life. And the same individuals that condone it quite ironically (and rightly) condemn the Nazis for their atrocities, a major one being the act of abortion.

How anyone could justify forcing women to have children they don't want is evil beyond words. You know who was big on forced birth for the right type of women? Hitler.

An unborn foetus is not a child and has no right to life.

@YorkshireTeapot91

How anyone could justify abortion of any kind, for any reason, is evil beyond words. Of course, abortion is a single act of discrimination against the unborn child’s right to life. And the same individuals that condone it quite ironically (and rightly) condemn the Nazis for their atrocities, a major one being the act of abortion.

😂 and the award for hyperbole on this thread goes to....

Certainly in the UK, women will be aware of abnormalities and disabilities by 24 weeks.

This is naive.
I had my anomaly scan at 20+6 but they couldn’t get a good view of everything (specifically head and heart), so they rebooked me for the next available appointment which was over a week away, when I was 22+3. It was all fine, but had it not been there would have been various tests, then waiting for results, then add on time to fully understand, research and consider any medical information you’ve been given so that you can make a fully informed decision. I’d have had 11 days from that second scan, to making a decision. And that’s assuming any test results came back before 24 weeks in the first place.

How anyone could justify abortion of any kind, for any reason, is evil beyond words

You really can’t even imagine the most extreme situation where you might consider it ok? Lucky you. You must be very sheltered.

[quote YorkshireTeapot91]@LateDecemberBackInLowB12 And the award for the moronic poster, who doesn’t realise why they are alive and others are not, goes to...[/quote]
Nice use of disablist language there.

That whole post doesn't make sense FYI