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Little girl handed over to US soldiers

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JardinVibe · 20/08/2021 14:22

Has anyone seen the video on the BBC website showing the little girl being handed over a wall to US soldiers at Kabul airport? She can only have been under 2 years old. I can't stop thinking about it. I wonder what on earth happened to her. I have a toddler myself and it's so upsetting (obvs upsetting regardless but the idea of feeling your only chance to save your child is to hand your baby over to a soldier is just terrifying).

Has anyone seen this or know any more if this story? Sadly I know it's just a tiny moment in a catastrophe full of horror stories.

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Goingdriving · 20/08/2021 16:13

I found it upsetting too OP
Many years ago in my work I came across a six year old boy who had been left after all his family fled (maybe killed) on a surprise army attack in the town. He had no one. He curled up against me like a cat. The prospect of reuniting him, divine the state of war and lack of communication and the absence of papers was close to zero. He ended up being taken by a worker at the camp to live with her (in a neighbouring country). I still think of him. He is a man now. But it made me feel what it means to be separated by those you love in war. So many tragedies.

DingDongThongs · 20/08/2021 16:13

@MotionActivatedDog

Jesus. Those people must be so desperate. There is a tiny baby in one of those photos. You don’t do that for a photo op Hmm
agreed
MrsCatE · 20/08/2021 16:18

Have any of you been to Afghanistan? I have and it’s fucking scary shit hole. When the Russians were ‘invited’ in by the Afghan government the so called ‘Mujahideen / freedom fighters’ as hailed by the US and British government and were massively funded and armed by them. Meanwhile, loads of radicalised people have been helped over the borders into Pakistan and India.

No wonder people are trying to get their kid and women out of there.

ballsdeep · 20/08/2021 16:18

@ohstopityourmakingitup

Honestly some people on this site knock me sick.

What is happening there is horrific, its not sexed up or a fucking photo op. They KNOW whats coming. People are lucky enough on here to never ever feel the sheer terror that these people are feeling right now.

Its disgusting what has been allowed to happen.

100% agree with you. Those poor people. My heart breaks for them. Imagine just being there, in the panic, the pushing, the screaming and crying, depserate to get away although the odds are stacked against you. Who would do that unless there was real danger. I posted a Hmm at @NinaBallerinaShoes and her comment, but actually I am disgusted by it.

May God help you are never in that situation.

Bagamoyo1 · 20/08/2021 16:22

@HHSchultz

It's sickening, how can the West let this happen? I can't get my head around it. Why are we not getting the Army back out there. Is the world so desensitised to barbarism?
Why should the army do? They can’t stay there for ever.
KaptainKaveman · 20/08/2021 16:23

@NinaBallerinaShoes

My suspicion is that it was done for a publicity stunt and the child was reunited with their parents on the other side of the wall. In my view, it was a too fortunate photo opportunity to it to be real.
This is a really offensive post. It is also massively ignorant.
catgirl1976 · 20/08/2021 16:31

It all makes me think of the poem Home

no one leaves home unless
home is the mouth of a shark.

you only run for the border
when you see the whole city
running as well.

your neighbours running faster
than you, the boy you went to school with
who kissed you dizzy behind
the old tin factory is
holding a gun bigger than his body,

you only leave home
when home won't let you stay.
no one would leave home unless home
chased you, fire under feet,
hot blood in your belly.

it's not something you ever thought about
doing, and so when you did -
you carried the anthem under your breath,
waiting until the airport toilet
to tear up the passport and swallow,
each mouthful of paper making it clear that
you would not be going back.

you have to understand,
no one puts their children in a boat
unless the water is safer than the land.

who would choose to spend days
and nights in the stomach of a truck
unless the miles travelled
meant something more than journey.

no one would choose to crawl under fences,
be beaten until your shadow leaves you,
raped, then drowned, forced to the bottom of
the boat because you are darker, be sold,
starved, shot at the border like a sick animal,
be pitied, lose your name, lose your family,
make a refugee camp a home for a year or two or ten,
stripped and searched, find prison everywhere
and if you survive and you are greeted on the other side
with go home blacks, refugees
dirty immigrants, asylum seekers
sucking our country dry of milk,
dark, with their hands out
smell strange, savage -
look what they've done to their own countries,
what will they do to ours?

the dirty looks in the street
softer than a limb torn off,
the indignity of everyday life
more tender than fourteen men who
look like your father, between
your legs, insults easier to swallow
than rubble, than your child's body
in pieces - for now, forget about pride
your survival is more important.

i want to go home, but home is the mouth of a shark
home is the barrel of the gun

and no one would leave home
unless home chased you to the shore
unless home tells you to
leave what you could not behind,
even if it was human.

no one leaves home until home
is a damp voice in your ear saying
leave, run now, i don't know what
i've become.

user16395699 · 20/08/2021 16:32

I agree with a pp that posting unverified photos without context but with bucketloads of speculation is extremely unhelpful.

catgirl1976 · 20/08/2021 16:32

It's just so unthinkably sad. And horrific.

Eatingsoupwithafork · 20/08/2021 16:35

^
I've never been one of those "I can't watch the news now I'm a parent" types, and I never cry at the news, but I've full on sobbed at this more than once in the past 24 hours thinking of my 3yo and 1yo girls. Horrific. ^

Yes same - I cried reading the news this morning for the first time. It’s horrific.

Lillypup · 20/08/2021 16:40

@ohstopityourmakingitup

Honestly some people on this site knock me sick.

What is happening there is horrific, its not sexed up or a fucking photo op. They KNOW whats coming. People are lucky enough on here to never ever feel the sheer terror that these people are feeling right now.

Its disgusting what has been allowed to happen.

☝️Spot on Absolute cunts on this site. What's going on over there is horrific, in fact no word can accurately describe it.
BritishSummertime · 20/08/2021 16:42

@Hellocatshome

My suspicion is that it was done for a publicity stunt and the child was reunited with their parents on the other side of the wall. In my view, it was a too fortunate photo opportunity to it to be real.

That particular photo maybe buy it is happening, babies have been caught up in the barbed wire, some senior soldier (sorry I dont know his actual rank) said thag by the end of the day all the soldiers were in tears and he had to counsel several who had witnessed certain things.

I think I read the same article, like a PP I've never really cried at the new s but this made me.

Also two sisters (teacher & doctor) and their mother trying to get through because none of them are married and terrified of what will happen to them.

It's fucking terrifying watching the news these days

Mudpup · 20/08/2021 16:46

If they knew, that by May 2021 the USA and British Army were leaving why didn’t they plan to go sooner. It’s awful to live under this regime. All the civilians that helped the military are now in danger of being murdered. It’s inhuman, our country, we all moan about it , how it’s ran etc but we don’t live in fear.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 20/08/2021 16:50

Maybe they had faith in their government and people as a whole being able to be self governing.

Maybe, like everyone else, they didn't expect the Taliban to move so quickly.

Maybe they thought they were at home... don't have easy access to passports, plane tickets, a destination that would accept them.

All sorts of reasons, really

umberellaonesie · 20/08/2021 16:52

There are several videos and pictures of various aged babies and children being passed above the crowds and thrown to the soldiers who are having to pass them back down.
Whatever your thoughts on foreign troops moving in and out of Afghanistan which is a complex situation.
This is real trauma we are witnessing, for the children, for their families, for the soldiers.
I can't imagine ever being in the position where surrendering my baby to a crowd of hands in the hope they end up on the other side of a fence to me. But this is the reality for these families. The other side of the fence is the only choice.

BeauxRingarde · 20/08/2021 16:52

If they knew, that by May 2021 the USA and British Army were leaving why didn’t they plan to go sooner

Go where? And how? Do you actually think that was a realistic prospect for the vast majority?

CaveMum · 20/08/2021 16:53

As someone on Twitter said, it’s akin to the kindertransport just before WWII broke out. Thousands of children put on trains by their parents hoping that they would end up somewhere where they would be cared for and loved and not knowing if they would ever see them again.

Heartbreaking doesn’t begin to cover it.

BritishSummertime · 20/08/2021 16:56

our country, we all moan about it , how it’s ran etc but we don’t live in fear.

DH and I were saying the same yesterday, yes we have fucking numpties like Boris and twats like Dominic Cummings but our kids go to school, daughters/sisters/mothers can go to work safely etc. We don't realise how lucky we are sometimes

umberellaonesie · 20/08/2021 16:59

@NinaBallerinaShoes

My suspicion is that it was done for a publicity stunt and the child was reunited with their parents on the other side of the wall. In my view, it was a too fortunate photo opportunity to it to be real.
And this reaction is because it is horrific to see it is so traumatic that it is easier to believe it can't be real. As for this saying why didn't people make plans to leave sooner if they knew the pull out of troops were happening they did, they have been but getting visas is a lengthy bureaucratic process. And the rest of the world doesn't want more refugees in a pandemic.
museumum · 20/08/2021 17:08

The ex army mp was on the radio saying that even the Afghan army didn’t know the US were leaving Basra airport till two hours after! By which time it was taken and looted. The Afghans had no hope! And I don’t blame them for never imaging the U.S and U.K. would pull out in this absolutely disastrous chaotic way!

CatherinedeBourgh · 20/08/2021 17:09

I know someone who was handed like that to soldiers in Saigon.

It was a couple of years before he was reunited with his parents.

MimiSunshine · 20/08/2021 17:12

I honestly can’t bear it when I read and see what is going on in Afghanistan. It has affected me so much that I cry just thinking about it.
I can’t bear to take any more of it in but I feel like if I turn away from it as it’s just too upsetting then what kind of human being does that make me? The ordinary people of Afghanistan don’t have such luxury.

I saw someone on a news / political programme (missed the start so don’t know who is or his background but he seemed very clued up) who said…

“We didn’t turn our backs on France when the nazis were taking power, we did what was right. We need to do that now.”

What has changed in the world when we can choose to turn our backs?

And no I don’t want a 3rd world war but we have a duty to do more do we not?

StarttoFinish · 20/08/2021 17:17

“We didn’t turn our backs on France when the nazis were taking power, we did what was right. We need to do that now.”

Did we do what we did then to support France or because we knew that once France was over run we'd be next?

BeauxRingarde · 20/08/2021 17:20

We didn’t turn our backs on France when the nazis were taking power, we did what was right. We need to do that now.” What has changed in the world when we can choose to turn our backs?

Nothing has changed, we have always turned our backs when it suited us. We turned our backs when the Nazis were taking power in Czechoslovakia. We pursued appeasement and announced "peace in our time" even as the Nazis were marching across their borders. It wasn't until it threatened us and our allies that we chose to address the threat.

That's only one example. Lets not invent some kind of glorious past we aren't entitled to, it's not helpful.

Drinkingallthewine · 20/08/2021 17:22

If they knew, that by May 2021 the USA and British Army were leaving why didn’t they plan to go sooner.

Lack of money.
Lack of visa.
Elderly dependent relatives.
Dependent extended family.
Which country would take you?

Those are just a few reasons off the top of my head, why people couldn't just up and leave.