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Oh Prince Andrew is getting SUED by Virginia Robert's

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LaurieFairyCake · 09/08/2021 23:54

That will be interesting

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Roussette · 12/08/2021 21:13

I really hope the people on here assuming Prince Andrew is guilty are never called for jury service, what a lynch mob

Last I heard this wasn't a court of law. It's a discussion forum.

Tell us what you think about it all?

LolaSmiles · 12/08/2021 21:15

threecee

Challenging victim blaming and challenging people who perpetuate rape myths equals does not make people incapable of being on jury duty.

Given how underreported rape is, and frightfully few rape cases ever make it to court, I'd say the biggest concern on this thread are the posters who repeatedly claim that 17 year old girls knew what they were getting into, and should be doubted because there's a photo of them smiling.

You're not the first to have made that argument, but as posters have pointed out on this thread. The court of law and day to day life are different things. In day to day life decent people don't tell victims they're lying or must have been up for their abuse.

KidneyBeans · 12/08/2021 21:17

[quote Od130990]@KidneyBeans
My point is it happened on UK soil therefore she isn't classed as a minor who isn't able to give consent. The legal age of consent in the UK is 16.
Again my point is it will be very difficult for her to prove she wasn't a willing participant after previously revealing in interviews that it was her that took him to the bathroom and interviews of being paid to sleep with a Prince.

[/quote]
@Od130990

As has been REPEATEDLY stated on this thread this is an issue of trafficking and consent.
Sex with a trafficked woman is illegal in the UK.

Do you not think that women who are trafficked into brothers in the UK take punters hands and lead them into bedrooms/bathrooms? It doesn't mean they're consenting.
A minor who has been transported internationally for the purposes of sex is trafficked and cannot consent

KidneyBeans · 12/08/2021 21:19

[quote Od130990]@Roussette
No I'm meaning technicalities or character references they'll use in court, even in a civil case. Obviously Andrews lawyers will bring up any character flaw or previous interviews/articles Virginia has given.
Virginias lawyers will bring the up the obvious fact that she most certainly was a victim of Epstein & therefore pa must've been aware that she was a trafficked victim. [/quote]
I thought you hadn't seen all the evidence and were leaving it for the courts to decide?Confused

KidneyBeans · 12/08/2021 21:21

@threecee

I really hope the people on here assuming Prince Andrew is guilty are never called for jury service, what a lynch mob.
Do you're aligning people defending a victim of sexual assault with racist murders? Lovely analogy
DuncinToffee · 12/08/2021 21:43

TrampolineForMrKite Flowers
Hope you are alright.

Od130990 · 12/08/2021 21:45

@KidneyBeans
What are you not understanding?
My point is Virginia has to prove in court that Prince Andrew KNEW SHE WAS TRAFFICKED! It's a civil case Burden of proof! I don't make the rules.

KidneyBeans · 12/08/2021 21:49

[quote Od130990]@KidneyBeans
What are you not understanding?
My point is Virginia has to prove in court that Prince Andrew KNEW SHE WAS TRAFFICKED! It's a civil case Burden of proof! I don't make the rules.
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Where did I indicate that I was unaware of the civil court process? Confused
If you actually RTFT you'd know that I actually explained to a previous poster that it's burden of probability (51%) not proof in civil court.
What I don't understand is what your point is? You keep banging on about her needing to prove her case in court like it's some kind of revelation

threecee · 12/08/2021 22:02

if you read through the posts, they come over as hysterical, nobody has questioned why prince Andrew is the only person Virginia has ever talked about even though Epstein was" friends " with many prominent American men, interesting.

Blossomtoes · 12/08/2021 22:09

@threecee

if you read through the posts, they come over as hysterical, nobody has questioned why prince Andrew is the only person Virginia has ever talked about even though Epstein was" friends " with many prominent American men, interesting.
That isn’t true.

In court documents from a civil suit that were released from seal in 2019, Giuffre named several others that she claims Epstein and Maxwell instructed her to have sex with, including hedge fund manager Glenn Dubin, attorney Alan Dershowitz, politician Bill Richardson, the late MIT scientist Marvin Minsky, lawyer George J. Mitchell, and MC2 modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel.[28][29]

It took me 30 seconds to find that. You didn’t look very hard.

KidneyBeans · 12/08/2021 22:13

@threecee

if you read through the posts, they come over as hysterical, nobody has questioned why prince Andrew is the only person Virginia has ever talked about even though Epstein was" friends " with many prominent American men, interesting.
Because Prince Andrew isn't the only man VRG has talked about Confused

The same as all the posters claiming it's 'he said she said' when in reality there's at least one witness

The common theme seems to be that all the defenders of PA seem to be wilfully ignorant of the facts of the case

LolaSmiles · 12/08/2021 22:14

Blossomtoes
As with most minimisers/apologists/victim blamers, they're not concerned with finding out information that's in the public domain, nor are the interested in learning about grooming and how children can be groomed for exploitation.
They're weirdly more concerned with trying to discredit a woman who has spoken out about her experiences in the social group of a convicted sex offender.

Pixxie7 · 12/08/2021 22:32

I thank the fact that the met are set to re-examine the complaints speaks volumes.

KidneyBeans · 12/08/2021 22:40

@Pixxie7

I thank the fact that the met are set to re-examine the complaints speaks volumes.
Yes. Well it certainly appears that they don't agree with your opinion that the photo of her leaving the party does not imply a young woman who has been raped.
Plumtree391 · 12/08/2021 22:53

He's not the only person she has talked about, she has mentioned a few names but they don't mean much to us in the UK. There is one well known (in the USA), legal bod whom she has talked about saying she had sex with him on an Epstein property but he has denied it and sued her back.

I also saw her on a documentary in which she mentioned Naomi Campbell; she was on a plane with her and many others, travelling to Naomi's thirtieth birthday party arranged by Epstein. She now cannot understand why Campbell didn't notice such a young girl 'hostessing' at the party and rescue her.

In addition she has mentioned prominent American politicians as being part of Epstein's coterie but so far no allegations of sex with them.

I imagine there are many people shaking in their shoes right now.

Pixxie7 · 12/08/2021 23:00

all KidneyBeans@ they didn’t comment either way just said that nobody is above the law, which I applaud. You really are quite aggressive about this, it was my opinion about a photo that doesn’t mean that I don’t think he is guilty.

KidneyBeans · 12/08/2021 23:18

@Pixxie7

all KidneyBeans@ they didn’t comment either way just said that nobody is above the law, which I applaud. You really are quite aggressive about this, it was my opinion about a photo that doesn’t mean that I don’t think he is guilty.
Well they're hardly likely to say 'we won't investigate because he's royal' are they? Confused

You've consistently posted disgusting attacks on VRG's character and demeaned the experience of sexual assault victims throughout the thread. If you find my responses to your vile insinuations 'aggressive', then that's tough - I couldn't really give a shit.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 12/08/2021 23:23

@Pixxie7

all KidneyBeans@ they didn’t comment either way just said that nobody is above the law, which I applaud. You really are quite aggressive about this, it was my opinion about a photo that doesn’t mean that I don’t think he is guilty.
So you were just sharing your opinion that rape victims are recognisable from photos? And you think that's acceptable / reasonable?
Pixxie7 · 12/08/2021 23:53

I haven’t at any stage demeaned her character or anyone else I have just tried to look at the bigger picture neither of us know the truth and possibly never will. Which is in direct contrast to you who has PA hung drawn and quartered.
You have verbally attack any poster who doesn’t agree with you.

KidneyBeans · 13/08/2021 00:02

@Pixxie7

I haven’t at any stage demeaned her character or anyone else I have just tried to look at the bigger picture neither of us know the truth and possibly never will. Which is in direct contrast to you who has PA hung drawn and quartered. You have verbally attack any poster who doesn’t agree with you.
You've not demeaned her character?

So the photo of her leaving the party does not imply a young woman who has been raped. doesn't suggest you think she's lying about being a victim of sexual assault then?

And agreeing that she wanted to be where she was, with the people she was with, and wasn't being held against her will. doesn't suggest she was a willing participant in her own assault who is now backtracking for money?

After all you've also repeatedly emphasised that she's after financial compensation and pointed out the sums of her previous awards. All part of the 'bigger picture' I suppose...

You've done nothing but insinuate that she's lying, hasorchestrated her own trafficking and is after poor PA's cash. You may not think those insinuations are demeaning - I dunno - perhaps such behaviour would be acceptable to you so you see no problem with your character assassination 🤷‍♀️

Please do point out where I've 'hung, drawn and quartered' (such dramatic language!) poor old PA.
I'll not hold my breath...

KidneyBeans · 13/08/2021 00:11

As an aside I find it fascinating that there are people out there who are SO devoted to defending a family of privileged, dim, and often rather unpleasant aristocrats with minimal redeeming characteristics, who they don't even know.

I wonder if that's what religious zeal or cult membership is like...

Pixxie7 · 13/08/2021 00:25

KidneyBeans@ firstly it wasn’t the one of her leaving the party, apart from that you are going to twist what ever anyone says if they don’t agree with you so there is no point in engaging any further you have your opinion I have. Finally to say anybody thinks either rape or trafficking of anyone is fine is ridiculous.

Plumtree391 · 13/08/2021 00:33

I have read your posts and don't think you have said anything untoward, Pixxie7. You are trying to be objective which I think is good when we don't yet know all the facts.

Pixxie7 · 13/08/2021 00:40

Plumtree391@ thank you I was beginning to doubt myself to be honest.

Wheretobuy · 13/08/2021 01:00

@Pixxie7

I haven’t at any stage demeaned her character or anyone else I have just tried to look at the bigger picture neither of us know the truth and possibly never will. Which is in direct contrast to you who has PA hung drawn and quartered. You have verbally attack any poster who doesn’t agree with you.
What really is the bigger picture then? I bet would mean more girls will appear in the frame of that picture. Also, ‘we do not know the truth’ is the oldest, most tired cliche you would find in the apologists’ dictionary.