To those who voted for Brexit

[HappyClappy1]

Are you happy with your decision?

More good news for the 'Remainers' to chew on:

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/07/05/eu-plot-destroy-city-has-catastrophic-failure/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

"The banks would all move to Frankfurt. The dealing rooms would switch to Paris. And the asset managers would decamp to Amsterdam and Dublin.

After the UK voted to leave the European Union five years ago, our main rivals on the other side of the Channel poured a huge amount of energy into destroying the City of London. Control of the continent’s key financial centres was the one prize it wanted above all others, while losing all those lucrative jobs would be the killer blow that would make the British regret their decision.

But in the last few weeks it has become clear that plot has failed, and failed badly. We learned over the weekend that London has already reclaimed its position as the key centre for equity trading.

No more than a handful of jobs have drifted away, and most of those that have are simply ticking a few boxes to comply with the rules, while only this week London has started redesigning its listing rules to encourage more tech floats.

In fact, the EU played its hand very badly. There was a real threat to London’s pre-eminence, but as so often the EU believed it could regulate its way to victory. Its strategy was all stick and no carrot, and that was never going to work. The UK has had a lucky escape - but right now it looks as if the City is safe."

EU plot to destroy the city of London?

Whatever next!

Its called competition, free market & capitalism, if London wins out, thats brilliant, if it doesn't, it will need to re invent itself or go under.

Hope the city is safe, a lot of friends’ jobs depend on it, but didn’t Rishi Sunak have to announce yesterday that he had failed to make a deal on financial services? That’s a blow.

It is depressing how partisan the British press is. A big part of history teaching in schools used to be teaching kids to identify and assess bias in sources. Those kids grew up and allowed Murdoch to tell them what to think after he’d been to his bribery dinner at number 10.

Why do you think that everything the EU does is an anti-UK plot? The EU is doing its own thing now - it doesn't necessarily have to think about the UK.
Thing it's all an anti-UK, anti-City of London plot is like being angry at your ex for not cooking for you or washing your pants.

Have you not thought that if people actually learnt about empathy, it would make them kinder to themselves but also give themselves the freedom to be wrong about things or consider the possibility.
We all have to make decisions based on limited information. It is our duty to find out more but we must also be wary of bias - this is hard work. My whole career has to some extent been based on being wrong about things.
Give me a fruitful error bursting with the seeds of its corrections rather than dry dogma and doubling down against evidence.
I want to be wrong about Brexit - I'm trapped here for the medium term at least.

PS - it is true that the chronically unhappiest people I know (did know) are also the lousiest listeners more often or not.

I voted remain but I respect leave voters and their reasons. It’s going much better than expected and I am over it and looking forward to the future.

EU citizen here. I dropped a handful of "family friends" over this. I no longer trust them.

You dropped friends because they see things differently to you?

@SamusIsAGirl

Why do you think that everything the EU does is an anti-UK plot? The EU is doing its own thing now - it doesn't necessarily have to think about the UK. Thing it's all an anti-UK, anti-City of London plot is like being angry at your ex for not cooking for you or washing your pants.

You dropped friends because they see things differently to you?

It's not "seeing things", this is as personal as it gets. If you vote to shit on your friends and family and then rejoice in it, then i no longer want you.

They didn't vote to shit on you. They voted in what they believe was in the best interests of their country. I don't think your friends would be happy you are suffering, even if they still believe their choice was right for the majority or long-term best interests of the country

There are ways of getting items sent from the EU into this country without paying customs duty - or a very minimal amount - but you need to set up systems. Its not worthwhile unless you do a lot of importing. Obviously I am not going to discuss the details on a public forum.

However it should not be too difficult use social media to set up a mutually beneficial arrangement for exchanging "gifts" with someone in the EU.

I don't think your friends would be happy you are suffering, even if they still believe their choice was right for the majority or long-term best interests of the country

People I thought were my friends. Now I realize that my very presence offends them. I will not imagine, only because we used to enjoy each other's company, that they hold me in any higher esteem than all those other job-stealing benefit-scrounging pesky europeans they can't wait to boot out.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

You dropped friends because they see things differently to you?

Well when these are people who are supporting a government telling me to ‘stop jumping the queue’ or that EU immigrants are invading the country, it feels very personal tbh.

I’ve had many discussion with PIL around that.
Apparently, they voted for brexit because of the EU and it’s interference but were very happy with EU citizens staying and being there. Except hat they were not but you know, it’s not people like you…

As an EU citizen, Actually it IS people like me. It is ME you are telling is a drain on the NHS, is only here for the benefits system (hollow laugh), jumps the queue and is a citizen of nowhere. It is me who has no paper proof that I have the right to remain in the country. It is me who has to prove I can indeed stay in the country using a system so unusable that no one wants or can use it. It is me who is stopped from going out if the country each time I need to replace my passport etc etc…
So yes it is personal because the impact has been and still is huge for me and my personal life.

It’s not just that some people have a different point of view.
It’s the refusal to see the effect it has on me and my family. It’s the refusal to accept that I’ve had times where I was worried I would end up separate from my children (if you have any doubt, think about windrush!) It’s the refusal to accept that my position is not the same than it was before brexit, despite all the so called assurances from politicians.

Now did I fall out with my PIL. Well and yes and no. We’ve both decided to not ever talk about that. I’m polite. They are polite to me. But tbh I haven’t forgotten. Because it is really hurtful to hear that me, as the mother of their grand children, isn’t welcome.

Illfortoolong Well said. Going to work on the 24th June 2016 to a diverse group of colleagues from various EU countries - I felt so much like I had betrayed them. For me and others 2015 - 2021 has just been too much of a trauma conga line and the fact that some people seem happy at other's misery when they haven't done anything to them.

@IllForTooLong and well said. Anyone reading that who voted for it should be ashamed of themselves but I expect lack the humanity. It’s not a difference of opinion it’s a difference of ethics.

I would agree that EU citizens living in Britain should never have been made to feel that their security was under threat. People already living in countries that they moved to under an established set of rules, should not be used as political pawns. That is a failure of government, not deliberate intention.
That said, I don't think freedom of movement was a universally positive thing and I do think immigration needs to be managed differently. I don't think you can condemn people who like you personally but who also think there is too much/badly managed/unfair immigration that disadvantages their own population.
And they probably had more than one reason for their vote - immigration wasn't the only thing that leavers were thinking about when voting and people that you know to be nice are unlikely to have wanted you to suffer - I think they probably just trusted the government to do the right thing by people who already lived here.

I don't think you can condemn people who like you personally but who also think there is too much/badly managed/unfair immigration that disadvantages their own population.

It was known from the beginning that its a total game changer for people like myself and we have no say in it. Its not a difference of opinion over a hypothetical situation. This shit is way too personal.
I can't trust you after "I voted to make it bad for you, but I hoped our government actually won't." Nope.

Again, no one was voting with the wish to make things bad for you. But you can't expect people to think solely from your perspective and put you above all other considerations that they have when voting on the future of their own country.

@IllForTooLong

Well said.

If it’s any consolation (which it won’t be) many Brits living in the EU felt their security came under threat as a result of the vote and certainly felt they were being labeled as “citizens of nowhere” by some politicians just as much you did living in the UK.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

Again, no one was voting with the wish to make things bad for you. But you can't expect people to think solely from your perspective and put you above all other considerations that they have when voting on the future of their own country.

Not only did leavers chose to fuck over EU citizens living here, they also chose to fuck themselves over too.

We can't move or work in europe now, our kids can't study there, pet passports cost a fortune, lost free roaming, far less trade, no deal for financial services (a huge earner for the uk) less eu hcp's will come here for our under staffed nhs.
Mucked up NI too, a very stupid thing because violence there wont bother the EU too much.

But perhaps above all what we have done is to become an adversary to europe, not a partner.

Lets face it, most people didn't have a clue about the pros and cons of eu membership, they voted on emotion - its a decision we should never have been given, like asking me to do my own up and coming heart surgery, incidentally being done by a German Dr who is going back to his home country in September.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

Again, no one was voting with the wish to make things bad for you. But you can't expect people to think solely from your perspective and put you above all other considerations that they have when voting on the future of their own country.

They were, i know plenty who voted to kick people out.

well, you keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, i realize maybe we weren't much of friends in the first place. I choose to distance myself.

Yes.

But when Boris Johnson called an election AFTER windrush, so knowing full well how the lunatics intended to run the asylum… when asked “is this your final answer?” it was all “yes please.”

And it isn’t just the perspective of @IllForTooLong it is about 3 million people and their families whose lives you decided were worth fucking up. Not to even mention the myriad indirect microfuckups that the British themselves will face. All for “other considerations…”