To those who voted for Brexit

[HappyClappy1]

Are you happy with your decision?

I hope that's not aimed at me. Pointing out that politics is the same the world over isn't an ad hominem attack, more a reminder that a few people need to calm down a bit.

@ClippettyClop

Yes voted out in a vote of no confidence. What’s your point? We don’t stand by politicians we don’t trust in Sweden. If we see something is going wrong then we get them out. You on the other hand can have your prime minister giving tax money to women he’s sleeping while cheating on his wife, and while your MPs have sex in the office with women they use your money to pay. Terrible amounts of Money spent On software that doesn’t work (track and trace) And you still stand with them.. that’s your issue. Just because British ppl let your government piss in your face and tell you to like it doesn’t mean Swedish people have to do the same. It’s shocking I know seeing people hold their politicians accountable.

Your country is still poorly run. It will be poorly run tomorrow. And next week.. and next year.. I said what I said. It’s a poorly run nation with politicians that are chaotic. It’s basically a peanut gallery.

If anything you should be learning from Sweden about how to hold politicians accountable.

My husband and I both were granted leave to remain yet we are still leaving. And all
The Swedes I know that left were granted leave to remain and chose to leave for a lot of the same reasons. Chaotic.. and you’re so used to it that you have no idea what a well
Run nation actually looks like.

I find it amusing that you use a Swedish leader being voted out because he isn’t doing a good job as an example of what? .. because your precious fee fees are hurt about what I said. So that one example means what about Sweden? That we hold our politicians to a high standard.

I don’t begrudge any nation their right to govern their land as they wish. But your nation is just not run as well as Sweden. It’s a simple fact. It’s not run as well as Norway. It’s not run as well as Denmark. It’s also not run as wall as Finland.

If we compare any Scandinavian nation or Nordic it’s not run as well. I don’t think Brexit is going to ever get you to run as well as any Scandinavian nation. Mainly because you seem to enjoy being governed by very hot in the trousers, impulsive people who don’t know what they are doing.

Point well made. I voted remain, FWIW, and I don't think many people are enjoying being governed by BJ.

So what additional benefits does Brexit bring? What else is it going to do to
Improve the UK? Is it To only keep out immigrants? If your nation still is not going to improve on what matters then what was the point?

Ok you have less foreigners. But what about education? What about maternity care? What about your healthcare? What about your economy (ours is doing fine btw).

Is Brexit going to help improve these issues? I’m legitimately asking because if you didn’t vote for Brexit due to immigrants then it must have been for something else. Some
Other benefits and I would love to hear that. Fishing rights? More jobs for British? What about the skills shortage especially in STEM (see my statement about access to university).

If Brexit gets you to the bare basic Swedish level then I would say ok. Maybe it makes sense.. but if is just “ Less Immigrants”.. congratulations. You can’t see the forest for the trees with that mindset.

10 years after Brexit let’s explore. You still won’t be anywhere near the successful model in Sweden or in any Scandinavian country.You will still have sub par health care, high infant mortality, students missing out on University and Erasmus, a STEM skills shortage ..but oh yes, you will have less European immigrants and less immigrants overall. Great.. congratulations!

So what additional benefits does Brexit bring?

As I said, I voted to remain in the EU so you're asking the wrong person. I suspect less patient posters have left by now.

I want the UK to succeed outside of the EU since this is what you chose. Regardless
Of what I’m saying about your politicians. But Brexit seems like a smoke screen for politicians who don’t have any idea what they are doing. As long as they can keep screaming about foreigners no one is paying attention to the horrible job they are doing.

And I myself don’t see the EU lasting for much longer anyway. It is crumbling before our eyes. Immigration is a hot button issue for all EU nations. And that is going to be the reason why eventuality I see the EU failing.

We have immigration issues in Sweden. Of course.. yet somehow the country runs like a well oiled machine.

That comes down to the people holding government accountable. I don’t see any of that here. Yes people complain but nothing happens. People are more concerned about going on holiday than the future of their children’s education and their access to opportunities outside of the UK. (They are all
Going to just go to America, Canada or Australia/NZ right?)

Boris Johnson would have been voted out in a vote of no confidence ages ago. The whole fishing rights fiasco. And the reciprocal agreements and red tape also forcing many British expats back home… that would have been enough to oust him.

One good thing with Brexit was securing the vaccine ahead of the EU due to their need for endless red tape. But I would love to see in a decade the tangible benefits of Brexit and perhaps it can be used as a case study for other nations considering the same thing.

One of the many reasons I voted for Brexit was government accountability. This is not entirely the EUs fault, but it provides a very convenient place for politicians to hide - especially lazy, corrupt ones. Then when their careers in domestic politics are over, off they trot to the EU gravy train. If we aren't members then our government has nowhere to hide (although Covid has also provided convenient cover). We can hopefully eventually replace our government, but we cannot replace what is wrong within the EU - it is too big, too unwieldy, too resistant to change. It is filled with people whose priorities aren't my country.
I had a lot of reasons for voting as I did and I did it in the knowledge that I wasn't getting a guaranteed better deal but an opportunity for improvement that remaining wouldn't have provided. I don't want to get ever closer ties to the EU.

Also because our opposition has been so woefully inadequate, it's been a bit hard to get rid of our current government. Somewhere along the line we got accustomed to politicians lying, fiddling their expenses, engaging in illegal, immoral wars, employing their mistresses and shagging them at work. And it's politicians from all parties. I think Britain has collective depression tbh, we see no way out of this. I think our main problem isn't leaving the EU, it's lack of sufficient, credible politicians.

As so glad I’m an EU citizen (although still living in the U.K. but once travel restrictions are lifted we can continue with our planned move). and my DC’s have the advantages of an EU passport.

I want the UK to succeed outside of the EU since this is what you chose

Really, marshmallowswede?

You’ve written several long, repetitive posts saying how awful this country is and ‘You still won’t be anywhere near the successful model in Sweden or in any Scandinavian country’.
Since you evidently dislike it here I’m surprised you want it to succeed and anyway why would you care since you’re returning to the paradise that is Sweden.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

Also because our opposition has been so woefully inadequate, it's been a bit hard to get rid of our current government. Somewhere along the line we got accustomed to politicians lying, fiddling their expenses, engaging in illegal, immoral wars, employing their mistresses and shagging them at work. And it's politicians from all parties. I think Britain has collective depression tbh, we see no way out of this. I think our main problem isn't leaving the EU, it's lack of sufficient, credible politicians.

Even though we are at opposite ends of the Brexit vote, thats not a bad summary of Westminster over the last 30 years.

Plus of course, decent credible politicians don't include Johnson, Farage or even Cameron = no brexit :)

@Andante57

Dear I’m a stranger on the internet.. why are
you so bothered about I said? So what one Swedish person said Sweden is better? I’m allowed to love my country no? I’m allowed to love my country and go live abroad while loving my country and comparing the two. I’m allowed to have an opinion on my experiences living abroad. Or do I have to wait until Sweden does everything perfect before commenting?

If you don’t believe I want the UK to succeed then I won’t lose any sleep tonight about it. It would be great if all countries could do as well as all of Scandinavia in general. I guess if you’re attitude is representative of many in your govt, then this is exactly why your nation will never ever be able to provide its citizens the quality of life available in Scandinavia. The truth hurts. If you resent my opinion then that’s your issue not mine.

I feel no shame saying that while I’ve found my time interesting, that I’m happy to be going home. Which I don’t know what anyone would be offended by me saying that. And you should be happy! We are two less immigrants taking up space.

The ability to self reflect and listen to feedback is a great way to improve. I didn’t say the UK is horrible. But that won’t matter to you and people like you. My feedback on what I personally feel makes it poorly run won’t matter to you and people like you. Nor did I ever say Sweden was a paradise. It’s statistics show how well managed it is. Quality of life index backs up what I’m saying, so there is data to back up what I’ve said about Sweden. We can see the data in a year about Brexit and compare and contrast.

I was saying was Brexit about getting you also to a better quality of life or just about keeping immigrants out? Because it seems it was more about keeping immigrants.

You managed to read my posts didn’t you? Long as they are. Are you mad because I am saying something true and you’re feelings are hurt? Did I say something not true? Or did you just expect me to say how much I loved it here?

Brexit I think showed many immigrants what’s really going on here and it’s not about making your lives “better” because like I said you don’t even hold your politicians accountable about what matters. But hey.. as long as you can go on holiday this year right. If you’re offended then it’s not really my problem. I don’t get offended whenever someone criticizes Sweden. You should learn that criticism doesn’t mean I hate the UK. Just like criticizing Sweden doesn’t mean that person hates Sweden. It means I have an opinion about things.

But yes you’re right. Your govt is great and does everything right. Brexit has nothing at all to do with xenophobia. It was all about improving quality of life for all UK citizens. Brexit will make sure you reach “Scandinavian quality of life within a year”. It was all about making university education accessible for more students, improving infant mortality rates and improving the healthcare system here. I was mistaken!

Have a good day.

@thecatsatonthewall

That’s pretty much what she is saying.
I guess this is the polite way to tell me “fuck off back to Sweden”. Like is said. Not about xenophobia at all.

My business depends on tourists from the EU. They want to visit at the moment, but they can't. If we were still in the EU, vaccinated visitors from elsewhere in the EU would be allowed. As it is, I have a 2nd summer of zero income. Cheers.

@MarshmallowSwede Sweden is a great place, many summers spent kayaking the Archipelago and drinking coffee in Gamla Stan.

People were a lot better educated than the UK, hospitals far better staffed, sports facilities etc but the thing i most took away was there weren't the huge gulf between the haves and have nots.

Maybe i'll get told to fuck off there if you love it so much?

marshmallow so when you get back to Sweden and continue to criticise Britain, is that Xenophobic?

Covid has masked the ill-effects of Brexit - Boris must be absolutely delighted!

Some people on this thread are making the gulf between education in more successful countries (by which I mean countries that work for everyone) and education in the UK humiliatingly apparent.
We have Brexit because a tiny minority of people thought that they could make a great deal of money out of it. They've certainly made a good start during Covid. Government ppe contracts, anyone?

I'm happy with my vote.

However, I did feel that maybe it should have been put back because of the covid situ. Think it was foolish to try negotiating during a very trying time for all involved. But what do I know?

I'm happy with my vote as I want my country back. I want the optimism and the joy of the late 90's when we still thought that things would get better. When we were slowly becoming more inclusive and open to the world without trying to colonize it. We were making strides into reducing child poverty and recognising that young people's mental health mattered for instance.
Then we have regressed into a wierd version of the 1980's but shittier.
I'm done with this country. Better keep on with my languages. At least I have the resources that I can make contact and potentially up to Europe in future. It hurts. I do love the UK but the UK doesn't love me. Not sure who it does.
Boris burnt a £50 note in front of a homeless man. Has he done anything to redeem himself and show he is a better person?

Your maternity care here is atrocious

See, you just keep coming out with sweeping statements like this and you lose any credibility. I have had 4 dc's and had brilliant care with all of them. I don't know anyone in my group of friends of family who were unhappy with the maternity care they received. My local maternity u it is amazing.
Do you live in an especially poor area or something?

Also on top of it not have to worry about myself or my baby having some issues during the birth?

So swedes just don't have to worry about themselves or their baby having any problems during birth? How is this? How does the magical Sweden ensure no-one ever dies or is ill or harmed ever? Please let us know.

You sound slightly paranoid and also like you haven't had a nice time living in the U.K. - that's a shame.

Anyway, I shan't feed the fire anymore. I wish you well in your life (completely free of any worries) in Sweden.

I have some family members who are factory workers and have been given significant payrises purely as a result of brexit and there not being enough staff left. Win for them.

Well, when I had my babies in the UK, lots of the women I knew (eg from the NCT course) had horror stories to tell. With both my births, when I went into hospital, I was told I had come in far too early and should just go home. On both occasions, the hospital staff were proved wrong. With the 2nd birth, the baby arrived very shortly after my arrival - I'd been told to go onto a different ward, when I refused to go home, and had to be rushed to the maternity ward. Women are pressurised into go homing a couple of hours after the birth. My mum's generation were looked after in hospital for 10 days!

The UK is in a really terrible mess. It's vital that we recognise it for what it is, and don't accept what the government is doing to our country. Nationalism is despicable - it does our country no favours.