To those who voted for Brexit

[HappyClappy1]

Are you happy with your decision?

Nationalism is despicable - it does our country no favours

Amen to that. Too many little Englanders on this thread

My mum's generation were looked after in hospital for 10 days!
It was 5-6 days for us (in 1988) and we hated it. It was totally unnecessary for most of us.

@SamusIsAGirl

I'm happy with my vote as I want my country back. I want the optimism and the joy of the late 90's when we still thought that things would get better. When we were slowly becoming more inclusive and open to the world without trying to colonize it. We were making strides into reducing child poverty and recognising that young people's mental health mattered for instance. Then we have regressed into a wierd version of the 1980's but shittier. I'm done with this country. Better keep on with my languages. At least I have the resources that I can make contact and potentially up to Europe in future. It hurts. I do love the UK but the UK doesn't love me. Not sure who it does. Boris burnt a £50 note in front of a homeless man. Has he done anything to redeem himself and show he is a better person?

So you voted to leave the EU because you wanted your country back but now you want to leave your country and the mess that Brexit has created behind? This is very sad and a little contradictory. Exactly what James Dyson did. Campaigned for Brexit then buggered off to Japan!

What even does ‘wanting your country back mean? I want my country back - the one that benefitted from being a partner in the biggest trading block in the world.

Many women who have had normal deliveries, want to go home after a few hours. What's important is the quality of care you receive when you need it.
The NHS isn't perfect, it needs completely overhauling imo, but for the vast majority of women, it delivers our babies safely and gives them fantastic hospital care if needed post birth. The hospital I attended gave me all the antenatal tests I needed, midwife visits every day for 10 days post birth, then a health visitor after that. I'm not sure what else they can do. Anecdotally, my sister in law gave birth at great financial cost in the USA and the quality of care was shockingly awful. I'd rather give birth here.

@SantaSue

Most of the people I know who voted leave did so for immigration reasons, and as the Grace Period only finished on the 30th June it's impossible to know yet whether they made the right decision. The final rule changes started on 1st July so I think we need a few months or years before we see how the statistics on people (and criminals) coming to the UK change.

Well, I take your point (about the future) but we are getting some interesting figures now:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/56846637

"It is now clear that far more EU citizens have been living in the country than previous estimates suggested.

As of 31 May, the government had received 5.6 million applications for the post-Brexit scheme that allows EU (and EEA) nationals to continue living and working in the UK after the end of this month.

That is far higher than the official estimate when the scheme was fully opened in March 2019 that there were 3.7 million (non-Irish) EU nationals in the country."

I find it almost unbelievable that we didn't know these figures until the settlement scheme deadline loomed, I really think - and this pandemic could be used to justify it - it is time for biometric I.D. cards so we know once and for all how many people are in the UK, from where they came and their vaccine situation too.

P.S. That Brexit has finally uncovered these figures and the disparity between estimated numbers and actual numbers, is another reason why I'm still happy with my decision of five years ago.

@Doublestar
I’m live in the wealthiest borough of London actually. But good for you thinking that poor British women don’t deserve good maternity care. You people prove my point. The jokes write themselves here.

The poor maternity care here is proven with statistics and data that your infant mortality rate is the worst in Europe. You can google it. You can also look up data and information about maternity care in Sweden. You might learn something about how a well run health service actually works.

My opinion on your healthcare is because my father is a doctor in Sweden and I obviously have received healthcare in Sweden. I’ve never used the NHS here because although we paid taxes, I did not feel comfortable using it as I’m not a citizen. Private care here I feel is also not as good as in Sweden.. we just have higher standards. That’s all.. and it’s ok. Everyone doesn’t have to be the same. And your healthcare seems to work fine for British people as you’re still living. So my minor comments about how wonderful Sweden is shouldn’t really bother anyone.

Happy to share my feedback with open minded people here.

Congrats on your 4 children btw.

And I get that no one wants to hear that their country isn’t as good as Sweden. The Danes also hate when we say they aren’t as good as us. But truth is truth. (that’s a joke) Denmark is also very nice.

Thank you. Yes I’m excited to be going home. Lots of things planned with family and we are going to spend some time in the countryside with friends and family and their kids. So I am really looking fwd to that.

Have a nice weekend.

I'm not saying that new mothers should be forced to stay in hospital for 10 days. I'm saying that they are now pressurised to leave hospital in a couple of hours in order to free up beds. It's not a free choice.

I'm happy with my vote.

As for people who voted for Brexit to get back to the glorious 90s (when we were full members of the EU first under John Major and then under Tony Blair, who were both enthusiastic about the EU and who both campaigned against Brexit) - words fail me. And then you bugger off to the EU because you, unlike most, are able to, leaving the rest of us in the shit that you've created.

@cushioncovers - what positives have you benefited from since your leave vote? I’m assuming you don’t live in NI?

I voted Remain.

Ironically how quickly we are pushed out of hospital post Labour is down to two things: underfunding of the nhs AND a huge growth in population ….hmmm I wonder what accounts for the latter…::

The poor maternity care here is proven with statistics and data that your infant mortality rate is the worst in Europe

The data doesn't say that, bit weird to just make up blatant lies to try and prove a point that really has little to do with the topic at hand anyway.

[quote MarshmallowSwede]@Doublestar
I’m live in the wealthiest borough of London actually. But good for you thinking that poor British women don’t deserve good maternity care. You people prove my point. The jokes write themselves here.

The poor maternity care here is proven with statistics and data that your infant mortality rate is the worst in Europe. You can google it. You can also look up data and information about maternity care in Sweden. You might learn something about how a well run health service actually works.

My opinion on your healthcare is because my father is a doctor in Sweden and I obviously have received healthcare in Sweden. I’ve never used the NHS here because although we paid taxes, I did not feel comfortable using it as I’m not a citizen. Private care here I feel is also not as good as in Sweden.. we just have higher standards. That’s all.. and it’s ok. Everyone doesn’t have to be the same. And your healthcare seems to work fine for British people as you’re still living. So my minor comments about how wonderful Sweden is shouldn’t really bother anyone.

Happy to share my feedback with open minded people here.

Congrats on your 4 children btw.

And I get that no one wants to hear that their country isn’t as good as Sweden. The Danes also hate when we say they aren’t as good as us. But truth is truth. (that’s a joke) Denmark is also very nice.

Thank you. Yes I’m excited to be going home. Lots of things planned with family and we are going to spend some time in the countryside with friends and family and their kids. So I am really looking fwd to that.

Have a nice weekend.[/quote]
This makes me laugh. Just really funny to read.

I’ve lived here and other country for half my life and have dual citizenship, plus a year in another and just couldn’t go on like this. Maybe your time hasn’t been great idk or maybe my other country also pales in comparison to Sweden . Perhaps all countries do and we’ve all been blind to it all this time bar the lucky few.

Anyway an amusing tale

@gillianwalmsley

I find it almost unbelievable that we didn't know these figures until the settlement scheme deadline loomed, I really think - and this pandemic could be used to justify it - it is time for biometric I.D. cards so we know once and for all how many people are in the UK, from where they came and their vaccine situation too.

Why do you need to know the vaccine situation of people who are already living in the UK? Surely it is the same as everyone else’s here?

@Treehaus

The poor maternity care here is proven with statistics and data that your infant mortality rate is the worst in Europe

The data doesn't say that, bit weird to just make up blatant lies to try and prove a point that really has little to do with the topic at hand anyway.

Whilst not the worst its toward the bottom of the EU27. We've fallen down in both birth and infant deaths.

Not great for one of the worlds richest countries.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/childhealth/articles/ukdropsineuropeanchildmortalityrankings/2017-10-13

There is now an on going maternity scandal in Nottingham but the real question is "why do women keep voting for it?"

[quote devastating]@gillianwalmsley

I find it almost unbelievable that we didn't know these figures until the settlement scheme deadline loomed, I really think - and this pandemic could be used to justify it - it is time for biometric I.D. cards so we know once and for all how many people are in the UK, from where they came and their vaccine situation too.

Why do you need to know the vaccine situation of people who are already living in the UK? Surely it is the same as everyone else’s here?[/quote]
I made two distinct points, you have merged them into one.

Point a) it is unbelievable that we don't really know how many people live in the UK - we didn't know how many came legally whilst we were members of the EU, plus we don't know how many are here illegally. A compulsory I.D. card system would go along way to sorting that out.

Point b) a biometric I.D. card would also show the vaccine status and could be used to grant access to cinemas, clubs, restaurants sporting events, music events etc. that should be denied to people who refuse the vaccine on dubious 'it's my right not to....' grounds (I concede some people can't have it it for medical reasons, but that is a very, very small number).

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously you mention that UK politicians won't be able to hide behind the EU.
Undoubtedly when said crap governments cock up you conveniently will be ok. You can weather the ensuing sstorm unlike many who can't. That's the thing with brexit - voted for by affluent boomers who never had it so good but didn't realise it, well to do home counties types who think everywhere is like bly surrey, god forbid they've ever visited anywhere in the north other than harrogate or richmond, not got a clue how some parts of the country have been driven into the ground by mainly tory governments.
And the irony that people will think out of the box and vote for a different party. How many posters on here moan about the country but will never vote differently because the alternative is worse ? We've got the worst government ever but hey a labour one might be worse, farcical....

A lot of assumptions going on there Sanguinesuzy, given that I'm a total stranger that you know nothing about. I made a decision to vote according to what I felt was in the best interests of my country - I'm not actually gaining anything personally by Brexit but I still think it will be the right choice in the long run.
I'm originally from South London and live in South Wales btw, not Surrey. I think I know a bit about deprived areas, but don't let your baseless assumptions get in way of facts.
And it was a Labour government that took us into Iraq. I'm not at all defending our current government but let's not look back at Labour through rose tinted specs.

We used to count numbers in and out of the UK, that was stopped to save money, ID cards wont help if we carry on like this.
Remember most people can come here on a 6month tourist visa & stay here, work in the black economy easily, false ID for NHS treatments.

BTW i'm a fan of ID cards but lots of other things would need to change as well, we just aren't geared up for it.

As far as i'm aware, the reason there is so many people applying is because the system allows duplicate application and inc children born here to non UK citizens plus 1.5 to 2m eu people have gone back home, to be replaced by 3m people from HK - hence the need to keep building houses.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously and the tories would undoubtedly have taken us in as well. In fact they cheered vociferously from the side lines. Let's count the positive things this brexit administration have done rather than just empty promises and jingoistic hot air. At least labour did try to change things for the better for everyone and not just blatantly reward its own electorate for loyalty.

ID cards don't work; they don't stop people trafficking or modern slavery. Indeed, the Belgian authorities didn't know ho lived in Molenbeek post the Zaventem bombings as the some of the residents there hadn't registered. There were a couple of scandals as some ID cards were forged, and that wasn't supposed to happen either.

I agree there is too many little Englanders on this thread. It is like a dog whistle to them.

One thing Brexiteers always crow about is the vaccine rollout and use phrases like forged ahead and roaring success leaving the EU clouded with masses of red tape. It is true that we in the UK got ahead of the game, but at what cost?

The EU did take ages to remove the red tape and approve the AZ vaccine but then AZ refused to hand over the UK stock. How fair is that? No wonder we romped ahead.

I’ve argued this many times with Brexiteers down the pub and they come up with the most bizarre excuses.

Ok the UK paid to develop the vaccine and open up factories to manufacture it.
OK the UK signed the contract first and approved the vaccines.
OK the AZ vaccine was the only one developed at cost.
OK the UK poured money into Covax

But they don’t see the bigger picture. By not sticking with the EU27 and joining their vaccine programme, we have caused so much trouble by romping ahead and given bad feeling to the EU. We should all have been vaccinated at the same time instead of the UK acting like Billy Big Bollocks. Shame on the UK.

If we had remained in the EU, they would have been perfectly entitled to help themselves to our vaccines but we scuppered that. Our closest friends and neighbours and we used the vaccines to vaccinate our own people first. No wonder they were livid.

The Brexiteers down the pub obviously disagree. You cannot argue with idiots.