Phil Spencer's joy at murdering a deer

[BananasAreEvil]

I can't see there's already a thread about this. So shocked and sad!!
popculture.com/reality-tv/news/phil-spenser-ripped-video-taunting-dead-deer-hunting-resurfaces/

He has hunted Game for years,there have been a few articles about him overseas. Shame,quite liked him before that.

My DH still eats meat but wouldn’t kill it himself if you paid him

No, he just pays someone else to do it for him!

I'd rather be that deer than a cow living in a dairy farm or a "free range" chicken. At least it probably had a nice life.

Yuk, just watched the vid and wish I hadn't. He seems to have enjoyed the whole thing a bit too much, and was very smug about the result he'd achieved. I don't disagree with culling deer and eating the meat, but Spencer's joyous reaction and the way he handled the head of the deer both indicate to me a kind of callousness that I didn't think he was capable of.

OTOH, as a meat eater I do think that free range meat such as venison is probably much more ethical than meat produced by factory farming methods. Also, I think that humans would be healthier if they ate less meat, say two or three times a week, rather than daily, as many meat eaters do. Better for health and the environment too.

He seems to have enjoyed the whole thing a bit too much, and was very smug about the result he'd achieved. I don't disagree with culling deer and eating the meat, but Spencer's joyous reaction and the way he handled the head of the deer both indicate to me a kind of callousness that I didn't think he was capable of
Precisely.
It isn’t the fact he shot a deer.
It’s the level of enjoyment in it.

Yeah, he looked crazy, enjoying it so much and throwing the deers head around. As I said before though, I’m not surprised, he’s not a nice man at all.

@Suzi888

“On the other hand - and in a sem-response to a PP - when my horse of a lifetime had reached his advanced age and no more winters for him, I was in touch with the hunt kennels, as the tradition is for the hunstman to shoot the horse and then butcher and feed to the hounds. I just could NOT do it..... as practical and traditional - and evern respectful - as it is (meant to be).”

Jesus fucking Christ what the hell is wrong with people - seriously.

I'm not clear - are you saying this is terrible.....?
It IS a tradition, as I said - and I as a long-time vegetarian, animal/horse-lover etc etc KNEW about it. BUT could not follow-through. Knowing, as I do that many horses DO end up as dog food, I do accept that it happens - because what could I do (having also been involved in saving some from that fate from the monthly horse sales, where the meat men's cattle trucks would wait ominously off to one side to take away those that did not even reach their low reserve)? I have also had one of my own, and seen others, shot or injected right in front of me. The hunt tradition was stopped around the time of the Foot & Mouth outbreak (where I am at least). And as I said - I just could NOT go through with it - I did not stay in his stable when he was injected by the Vet, nor did I watch when he was undoubtedly dragged by chains around his legs onto a waiting lorry. Once we take on animals, large or small (although larger are somewhat harder to deal with; a friend of mine took her horse to be shot alongside a grave they had already dug; I found that terrible), taking responsibility for how their lives end is our last loving duty.

Unfortunately, horses stand a large chance of entering some kind of food chain - which is why they are passported, and also why I had mine injected; to avoid him ending up in a tin of Pedigree Chum.

Sorry, I really cannot get worked up about it.

Some genuinely extraordinary mental gymnastics going on by the meat eaters on this thread

Just out of interest, what is the correct mood someone should experience when killing animal that's to be eaten? Would you feel better if they got PTSD afterwards oh wait they totally do get PTSD

@HangingOver

Just out of interest, what is the correct mood someone should experience when killing animal that's to be eaten? Would you feel better if they got PTSD afterwards oh wait they totally do get PTSD

Are you talking about people who are hunting for food to live? Or, as in the case - as I understand it - of PS "just because they could, but they will eat what they have killed"?

I should imagine that their feelings would be very different - before, during and after they have killed the animal. (This is not even to inlcude those who do acually kill for "sport"- and do eat it, because they have killed it, not becuase they need the food.....)

I do not imagine people who do what PS did actually have any conscience about their actions.

Dont' even get me started on game/trophy hunting

My husband has caught, dispatched and cooked trout before, also shot and eaten pigeon and duck. Does that make him a psycho cunt as well then? Should I be getting paperwork together and L'ing TB just incase he turns his gun or barbed hook on me?! 😬😂🙄

What an utterly disgusting cunt. He wasn't killing it for food. It was his "lifelong ambition to shoot a deer" apparently. The way he was picking up its head and mocking it is disgusting, no respect. There is something missing in him.

I meant people who work in slaughterhouses. If enjoying killing things makes you a psychopath, and presumably not all slaughterhouses are staffed exclusively by psychopaths then I guess we need to collectively acknowledge there is animal and human trauma in our food.

My husband has caught, dispatched and cooked trout before, also shot and eaten pigeon and duck. Does that make him a psycho cunt as well then?

None of those things are high up enough on the hierarchy of cuteness, cleverness or rareness. If it was a swan or a dolphin someone would have burned your house down by now

My husband has caught, dispatched and cooked trout before, also shot and eaten pigeon and duck. Does that make him a psycho cunt as well then? Should I be getting paperwork together and L'ing TB just incase he turns his gun or barbed hook on me?!

He sounds oh so cool, you too for telling us all. 🍆

Oh yuck. Wtf.

I liked him and now I know he's gross.

Location was my go-to relaxing show. :(

The objection is not to the killing, it is to the joy some people find when they take a life. It is psychopathic.

He is pleased he got a clean shot at a difficult angle. If you are going to shoot, it is far better for the animal if you do it with skill.

@Petalplucker

The objection is not to the killing, it is to the joy some people find when they take a life. It is psychopathic.

He is pleased he got a clean shot at a difficult angle. If you are going to shoot, it is far better for the animal if you do it with skill.

Exactly.

@Petalplucker haha I doubt he cares much about the welfare of the animal when he’s out in the woods blood-thirsty with a gun. Do you honestly think hunters care about animals suffering or feeling pain? If so, you’re deluded.

What I have read here makes me think that people are very far removed from the realities of life and death in this society.

Apart from the need to cull and what do you do with all the male animals, humans have been hunting and killing their food since they were humans, and there is a joy in it, not so much the death, but the hunt. It is a direct relationship between human and animal and carries respect.
I would think that someone who had killed an animal beating their breast in remorse would be a hypocrite.

Somehow it's OK to subject domestic animals to unpleasant lives and worse deaths, because it’s not made explicit.
I agree that if you eat meat, you should know what it entails, but consider that every creature on the planet eats living things to survive, even vegans.

We, including vegetarians, poison pests that threaten our crops or homes with impunity, also fucking up the environment and killing bees, etc.
These things are far more of an issue to get upset about, in my view.

I accept that culling has to happen, but there shouldn't be an enjoyment factor - it's a job, nothing more. Hence why any blood sport is horrible.

I appreciate that I am a hypocrite, I don't eat meat (steak, bleugh) but I do eat poultry.

[quote Sweetchocolatecandy]@Petalplucker haha I doubt he cares much about the welfare of the animal when he’s out in the woods blood-thirsty with a gun. Do you honestly think hunters care about animals suffering or feeling pain? If so, you’re deluded.[/quote]
I'm not deluded. Responsible hunters take great care, and great pride in killing humanely and with skill. First of all, a great deal of care and attention goes in to selecting animals for culling; usually ones that are old, or injured, or with some deformity that you do not want reproduced within the herd. A stag can be tracked for literally days and days across difficult terrain in order to cull the correct animal. And when the hunters get near enough to take a clean shot, something itself which is a very skilled job, they are careful to kill it with a clean shot and with as little distress to the animal as possible.
It is very much frowned upon if you do not finish the job cleanly and humanely. Someone who is impatient and blood thirsty would not be welcomed in a hunt with high standards and correct procedures.

The human with a gun is replacing the wolf and natural predator that man has eradicated, and culling of deer herds, as long as the venison is eaten, is good practice in that it stops destruction of the local environment and literally means that the fittest and strongest survive, which is the natural order of things.

People here seem to forget that within the UK, everything is managed more or less in the natural environment, and herds of deer left to expand and grow ad infinitum is not necessarily humane either. You can end up with malnourished, diseased and injured animals suffering lingering deaths. So it is not a question of animal left on it's own and not hunted equals happy and over hunting is not right either. The crucial thing about good management is that a careful balance between the two is maintained in keeping with the local environment.

It made me feel sick to the stomach to hear his life ambition was to kill a deer! The way he was holding its head and talking to it after he had killed it! I will never watch anything with his smug face in again!

You would have expected Phil to have said

"I am glad I managed to shoot and kill this deer accurately so they felt no pain. I will remember this day. I will not waste the food you have provided for my family, dear friend."

I think his reaction doesn't tally with the Phil we know on screen. He now appears to be a psychopath.

A prayer was said before eating meal for a reason.