Phil Spencer's joy at murdering a deer

[BananasAreEvil]

I can't see there's already a thread about this. So shocked and sad!!
popculture.com/reality-tv/news/phil-spenser-ripped-video-taunting-dead-deer-hunting-resurfaces/

@Pommes

It's such an unpleasant video, isn't it? He looks like a complete psychopath. I eat meat, so appreciate my own hypocrisy, but this is just awful. The way he handles the deer's head. It makes you wonder about society without laws. He looked blood thirsty.

It's not hypocrisy at all. There's a huge difference between eating meat to survive when the animal has been killed quickly, and killing animals for no reason and then gloating about it.

If you kill an animal for meat you treat it with respect. The video shows someone who is glorifying the act of shooting and mishandling the carcass.

I get that the act of killing is what upsets some people, but if you can separate that from what's happening in the video you can see why people find his behaviour disturbing.

But he thanked the animal? He held the head up to show it. If that was a native tribe or something we would all be saying it’s showing the animal respect after a kill. It is just western squeamishness through and through.

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I was just going to reply the same thing.
There is nothing more destructive to this earth than humans.[/quote]
I would happily sort that out but the government isn't going to let me start. Deer need culling and venison is the ultimate in free range meat with the highest welfare standards.

I’m not surprised at this. There’s not really anything to like about this man.

Yeah the way he grabbed the head and then let go like it was rubbish to him awful.

God wait till you find out what happens when someone butchers an animal

@Thelnebriati

If you kill an animal for meat you treat it with respect. The video shows someone who is glorifying the act of shooting and mishandling the carcass.

I get that the act of killing is what upsets some people, but if you can separate that from what's happening in the video you can see why people find his behaviour disturbing.

I’m afraid you are sadly mistaken if you think animals are treated with respect when they are killed for food. You don’t need to do much research to see the horrific conditions animals are kept in and the many cases of abuse in abattoirs.

Its an ethos I used to use when I was a farmer, so spare me the lecture.

This thread isn't about people's antipathy to meat eaters.

Once an animal has been killed, its just a carcasse.
If the deer was killed quickly & cleanly, then once its dead, its just meat.
I find it more disrespectful the way many people waste food, to be honest.

@Ihaventgottimeforthis

Once an animal has been killed, its just a carcasse. If the deer was killed quickly & cleanly, then once its dead, its just meat. I find it more disrespectful the way many people waste food, to be honest.

That's a very good point. When you chuck a pack of chicken breasts in the bin because they are a day over sell by date (I never do this!) you are arguably being even more disrespectful.

That's a very good point. When you chuck a pack of chicken breasts in the bin because they are a day over sell by date (I never do this!) you are arguably being even more disrespectful.

Well yes, it was a free-living animal with a quick and easy death that was probably eaten, but the man says in the video that he had a lifelong ambition to kill something. That's what's so blooming disturbing.

Nah. Can't get worked up about it.

i can't get het up about it, Deer aren't endangered, and he's planning on eating it.

folk need to stop letting the influence of vegans use the hatred of hunting Big Game and Endangered species to whip up hatred of normal Hunting for meat.

My intention wasn’t to lecture. If you farmed with compassion, then that’s a good thing. However, its not true in all parts of the meat industry and it would be disingenuous to say that it is.
My point was more for the people who are upset by the disrespect shown to the deer but still happily eat meat. How much respect is shown to many (not all!) animals when they are killed in abattoirs? Or animals who live in horrible conditions? That is hypocritical

Plenty of people around the world hunt for protein. I can't imagine an Inuit or Aborigine or Khoisan hunter playing around wobbling a fallen animal's head while grinning and jabbering. Perhaps they do, but my understanding is many people who have long hunting traditions also have respect for their prey.
There is no respect in that video, only glee.

It is possible to support wild game hunting/sensible deer population management for food sources (as others have said I feel that it is just about as ethical a source of meat as you can get) and to feel distaste at bloodlust and apparent lack of respect for the animal whose life you just took.

At the risk of coming across preachy, there are a couple of sources of information that have helped me to conform to my much earlier decisions. One is the documentary film, "Earthings" - which I freely admit, I watched through my fingers. The other is a book, "Dominion".

And this,
"For the animal shall not be measured by man: In a world older than ours, they moved - finished and complete - with senses we have lost, or never attained."
[Unsure of source, but came from reddit many years ago....]

Even meat-eaters can demonstrate sympathy, compassion and understanding towards animals, who have their own internal lives that we have somehow claimed the right to obliterate.

@MondayYogurt

Plenty of people around the world hunt for protein. I can't imagine an Inuit or Aborigine or Khoisan hunter playing around wobbling a fallen animal's head while grinning and jabbering. Perhaps they do, but my understanding is many people who have long hunting traditions also have respect for their prey. There is no respect in that video, only glee.

Agreed. I have not watched the video - and shall not. I will not give it a view, or space in my mind or memory. The races you mention - and many others who are, as I understand it, forced to rely on (and adapted to) eating meat/flesh in order to survive, actually Thank and bless the creatures that they slaughter and consume.

I don't eat meat. And I can understand the argument that venison is free range / organic / lived a stress free life which is hugely preferable to farmed animal conditions in some circumstances.
What I can never under is the thrill / joy / excitement of ending the animals life. He is absolutely overjoyed and it was a life ambition to kill a deer. His argument and his purpose are not driven from being a hungry man living off the land. It's all a bit unsettling

Anyone ever seen the film, "Never Let Me Go"? The body of Keira Knightley's caharcter is flung about in a very dimissive way after she has served her purpose. I found that disturbing too.

Anyone ever been to an abbatoir?

I recently discivered that there is one - the sign "Livestock Entrance" was the only clue - right next to favourite country park that I visit (which also has a major river running alongside---- . I will not even take that route any more, as I just imagine those animals driven there alive - and coming out as slabs of meat.

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There are a million far more important things in the world to be getting in a tizzy about.

Probably had a better death than the ever increasing rotting deer corpses had who've littered our roadways recently. It's much worse this year than previous years for some reason.

I'm not veggie but am one of the ridiculous wet meat eaters who wouldn't ever kill an animal to eat it but quite happily tuck into supermarket meat on a weekly basis.

Person kills animal for food, enjoys it and has no regrets. Fair play to him