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Boris and Carrie married?

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DonkeysNotDisney · 29/05/2021 19:57

Anyone else seen the news?? Another baby on the way, relationship on the rocks, or good old fashioned age gap love?

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KarensChoppyGob · 31/05/2021 09:35

Oh fgs, don't tell BJ of all people he needs more 'practice'; there's enough of his (acknowledged and unacknowledged) DNA running around already.

C8H10N4O2 · 31/05/2021 09:38

Carrie Symonds is described as a practising Catholic in the Times today

Which article? I saw a number over the weekend none of which described her as practising anything. In fact by living in an adulterous relationship she has removed herself and cannot receive the Sacrament (or at least ordinary, every day RCs cannot, something which often causes considerable pain).

Priests may turn a blind eye to two singletons living "in anticipation of marriage" but they can't give the Communion to a man or woman they know to be living with a married partner.

Peregrina · 31/05/2021 09:41

Carrie Symonds is described as a practising Catholic in the Times today.

Yet, when baby Wilfred was baptised, it seemed to come as a surprise with no one realising that anyone involved was a Catholic. If Carrie is genuinely practising then somewhere there should be a Church congregation that would have vouched that she attended Mass regularly. No such Congregation seems to have come to light.

It also seems funny that with a number of Catholic Churches in the vicinity of Downing Street, they happened to choose Westminster Cathedral.

Iamthewombat · 31/05/2021 09:42

@Eskarina1

My dad's second marriage was in a Catholic church. His marriage to my mum was anulled on the basis that she was a confirmed (as a child) Catholic who chose not to marry in a Catholic church. Had neither of them been Catholic previously it could not have been anulled. I believe Boris was also a "lapsed" Catholic so same situation applies.

I know all this because my dad took pains to explain it to me, that his was a technicality that allowed his wife the wedding she wanted and that his marriage to my mum had been real. I doubt Johnson gave any thought to his children's feelings.

I think that Johnson has been permitted to use the same get out of jail free card: I wrote about it in a post last night.

It stinks.

So now anyone, no matter how badly they behave, can dismiss all previous marriages provided that one of the parties to the marriage was baptised Catholic, married in a non-Catholic ceremony and didn’t seek the permission of the bishop? Which almost nobody does, incidentally.

Johnson is unfaithful to successive wives, fathers children out of wedlock and yet gets to use this handy, if little-known, bit of canon law to slither out of his past? I’m astonished that cardinal Nichols allowed it: he would have had to agree to the annulment. Not because I’m an old fashioned fire and brimstone Catholic: I’m not. It’s because I can’t believe that he has permitted two - TWO! - annulments for these wealthy and influential people whilst ordinary people in their situation have to lump it.

Theworldisfullofgs · 31/05/2021 09:44

And to cap it all , Carrie Symonds is a selective Catholic.

KarensChoppyGob · 31/05/2021 09:46

Does being Catholic mean being anti- contraception then? (Compare this to his attitude to abortion when it suits).

Can we expect a mini army of Borises?

Boris and Carrie married?
Iamthewombat · 31/05/2021 09:58

If Carrie is genuinely practising then somewhere there should be a Church congregation that would have vouched that she attended Mass regularly. No such Congregation seems to have come to light

Yes, this. Where are the people to whom Carrie has apparently been regularly offering the sign of peace on Sunday for all those years?

LemonRoses · 31/05/2021 10:00

@KarensChoppyGob

Does being Catholic mean being anti- contraception then? (Compare this to his attitude to abortion when it suits).

Can we expect a mini army of Borises?

The Catholic church teaching is that it is wrong to limit God given life and that includes potential life, so yes it teaches that artificial means of contraception are sinful. That said, there aren't many ten children families at Mass these days, so perhaps the 'being Catholic' doesn't rob you of your ability and right to make your own decisions.
KarensChoppyGob · 31/05/2021 10:05

Tbf that was tongue-in-cheek of me. I was brought up around the Catholic Church so am well aware of its hypocrisies.

Peregrina · 31/05/2021 10:06

I believe Boris was also a "lapsed" Catholic so same situation applies.

Presumably actively choosing to be confirmed in the Anglican church means that he didn't lapse but chose another denomination?

tommyhoundmum · 31/05/2021 10:09

He looks like Bunter in that pic. The blue socks are extraordinary

Bravesoul · 31/05/2021 10:59

I suspect although not compulsory unless he is in mortal sin, any reasonable priest might have insisted on it given what we all know or think we do, he would have been encouraged to attend confession prior to the ceremony. Oh to be a fly on the wall!

HmmmmmmInteresting · 31/05/2021 10:59

Aww, good of him to recycle his outfit. Maybe it's cos of Carrie's green credentials.

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Bravesoul · 31/05/2021 11:33

Iamthewombat whilst not a cannon lawyer l have been through the process and so have looked into the matter. The local bishop can do little as each case is looked at by the cannon lawyers and by a judge who may or may not be a member of the Clergy. However in the situation where a Catholic has not followed the correct process it is straight forward and if the Catholic has married outside of the church without permission then the marriage although legal in law is not valid in cannon law. For those who said the process is expensive that is true for those who pay for cannon lawyers and where there is a case to prove but for those without money it is still possible to get a case heard and in the case of Boris would not cost very much as the proof is quite straight forward and needs no interpretation.

Serpenta · 31/05/2021 11:46

@Clavinova

why it’s one rule for a wealthy woman, who is not a practising Catholic

Carrie Symonds is described as a practising Catholic in the Times today.

Hilarious.

Anyone who believes that guff is a gullible twit.

Peregrina · 31/05/2021 12:00

Anyone who believes that guff is a gullible twit.

Quite - everyone knew that Theresa May was a committed church goer - the Guardian used to print weekly regular pictures of her leaving Church. No such pics have surfaced for Carrie.

Carrie at best seems to have a fairly elastic view of what the RC church requires.

itsgettingwierd · 31/05/2021 12:19

Yeah I think it's a loose argument to say a woman who conducted an affair with a married man and had a child out of wedlock whilst living together unmarried is a practicing catholic.

Apart from the affair part I support sex before marriage and co inhabiting etc - so that's not an issue.

But hardly an advert for a fully practicing catholic who is now married to the man running the country!

longwayoff · 31/05/2021 12:21

Maybe Mrs Johnson has a visiting priest, her being special and high profile and all. I can see it now. Who was it who so aptly named her Carrie Antoinette? Well done, if you're on here.

Iamthewombat · 31/05/2021 14:18

The visiting priest will be the arselicker who baptised her son and who conducted the marriage ceremony. The same man. He is a former Anglican priest who converted to catholicism and is now attached to the diocese of Westminster. It will be him who helped them weasel around the annulment rules, and he who made a special exception for them.

Arselicker is the worst word I have ever used about a priest, but I stand by it.

Perhaps he has an eye on the cardinal’s job, for the future, and is making some powerful friends. I hope that he realises what he has done. All of my Catholic friends are aghast.

longwayoff · 31/05/2021 15:21

I am constantly amazed by people who demand their 'right' to be admitted to one institution or another and then, once having elbowed through the door, demand the rules be adjusted or changed in order to further accommodate their demands until there's little left of the original desirable objective. What's the point in having rules if people can pick and choose only the ones they like? Bewildering.

Peregrina · 31/05/2021 15:35

Do you know why he converted from Anglicanism? Was he one of these who objected to the ordination of women?

Maybe this is one area where the Anglican Church is a bit stricter - I don't think they have any rules which state that a Church marriage of a different denomination can be conveniently ignored if it suits. Hence Prince Charles wasn't allowed a Church re marriage.

Nor was Princess Anne. In her case she bunked off to Scotland where the Presbyterian Church there has different rules.

Iamthewombat · 31/05/2021 15:45

I don’t know, but he moved from the C of E in 2012, so maybe a bit late for an ordination of women refusenik!

I don’t claim to be an expert on the Anglican church’s policy re marrying divorced people. We had to go and speak to the local vicar, who wanted to know why my husband’s first marriage had broken down (his ex-wife’s infidelity) and wanted reassurance that my husband was supporting his children financially and fulfilling his obligations as a father. He also wanted to be sure that at least one of us was practising in a Christian faith, rather than our simply wanting a picturesque background for photos, but that was easy: when he suggested a reading for the service (the Corinthians one about love being patient and kind) I was able to recite it for him! Thanks to all those school divinity lessons.

So I am surmising that in the C of E the vicar is given a degree of discretion over whether to marry somebody who has been divorced. I was very grateful to our vicar, and to the C of E, for giving me a way to be ‘properly’ married.

SunshineCake · 31/05/2021 15:50

@angela99999

She's a practising Catholic and neither have had Catholic marriages before so, in the eyes of the church they are having their first marriage
Seriously?

She's had an affair, a baby out of wedlock, lived with him ore marriage. How can you call her a practicing Catholic

IcedPurple · 31/05/2021 15:58

Yeah I would understand 'practicing Catholic' to mean someone who goes to church on Sundays and lives her life according to the beliefs of the church. Not someone who just wants to have her 'big day' in a historic Catholic church. Mind you, she's no worse than the thousands of others who only see the inside of a church on their wedding day.

DateLoaf · 31/05/2021 16:03

I’m confused why they got married in a Roman Catholic Cathedral of all places?