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Boris and Carrie married?

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DonkeysNotDisney · 29/05/2021 19:57

Anyone else seen the news?? Another baby on the way, relationship on the rocks, or good old fashioned age gap love?

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JosephineDeBeauharnais · 30/05/2021 21:41

@angela99999

She's a practising Catholic and neither have had Catholic marriages before so, in the eyes of the church they are having their first marriage
She needs to practice harder. She’s really not very good at it.
yellowspanner · 30/05/2021 21:55

Congratulations to them both.
I am delighted to have some good news. Why on earth can't you be happy for them?

LemonRoses · 30/05/2021 21:59

@yellowspanner

Congratulations to them both. I am delighted to have some good news. Why on earth can't you be happy for them?
Because it’s simply political manipulation of the press and a blatant attempt to distract from more serious wrongdoing. It also prevents her needing to testify if he is charged with a criminal offence.
nancy75 · 30/05/2021 22:03

Why on earth can't you be happy for them?
The likes of Boris Johnson do not deserve our congratulations, this is a man with no morals, a liar, a cheat, a man more interested in his own dubious interests than running our country whilst in the middle of the worst crisis since WW2.
Why on earth would I be happy for him?

osbertthesyrianhamster · 30/05/2021 22:05

@nancy75

Why on earth can't you be happy for them? The likes of Boris Johnson do not deserve our congratulations, this is a man with no morals, a liar, a cheat, a man more interested in his own dubious interests than running our country whilst in the middle of the worst crisis since WW2. Why on earth would I be happy for him?
100/100
SwedishEdith · 30/05/2021 22:11

@Serpenta

Mick Jagger really is an old tightwad. Definitely re-uses teabags.
So is Johnson, allegedly.

www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-money-problems-finances-donations-carrie-symonds-2021-5?r=US&IR=T

The Prime Minister's biographer Sonia Purnell, who worked closely alongside Johnson in his early career as a journalist, is not convinced and believes there may be a much simpler explanation.

Rather than being desperately hard-up, Purnell suggests Johnson may simply be acting as he has always done, which is to find any excuse he can to avoid opening his wallet.

"All the way through his life he has been very successful at avoiding paying for anything," Purnell tells Insider.

"It's a game he has always played... I mean what does he spend his money on? It's certainly not on buying people rounds of drinks in the pub.

"He's never done that. All the time I was in Brussels... you would go to the bar and he would drink other people's drinks and never ever buy a drink. I mean never.

Associates of Johnson say he also has a tendency not to pay his debts.

Leonardsgirl · 30/05/2021 22:12

I'm happy for them. Just the same as I would be for any couple getting married.

Tomasinabombadil · 30/05/2021 22:12

Just being reported on BBC news now.🙂

Blossomtoes · 30/05/2021 22:13

Mrs Johnson. So much for feminism.

52andblue · 30/05/2021 22:24

@Bravesoul

When a marriage is annulled the children are still legitimate
That's interesting, thank you @Bravesoul Also interesting (to me, anyway). I just asked him (on the pretext of 'what do you think re Boris/Carrie' etc) This time he said he didn't get married in a Catholic church and says he can't remember telling me that 'his mum got some sort of piece of paper from the Church' when his marriage ended' (he did tell me this). Hmmm. I'm going to have to do some detective work. (all I know is his name, that it was a church in the Birmingham area, and her first name: not even the year, so could take a while) I must say I feel a bit daft now. I definately got married correctly, so I am guessing that the priest who married us / registrar must have checked this out, but I feel a bit embarrassed to be so vague myself (tho it was 20 years ago). Ho hum. Sorry, as you were on B&C thread (appreciate my circs are only of interest to me Grin
Serpenta · 30/05/2021 22:28

A person who doesn't ever buy a round but happily accepts drinks from others is lower than a snake's belly, @SwedishEdith. I read a story on Twitter about him attending a retirement dinner for a colleague, where everyone was asked to pay a £40 deposit, and the organiser had to hunt Boris Johnson down a week after the event to force him to hand over the measly £40.

Meanness is one of the worst qualities in a person. And Boris Johnson has an embarrassment of riches to choose from when it comes to awful personality traits.

CrumpetsForAll · 30/05/2021 22:32

I assumed they know June 21st is pie in the sky. I’m meant to be getting married in August and as soon as I heard rumours of July 2022 for them my heart absolutely sank.

RickiTarr · 30/05/2021 22:34

@TheFormidableMrsC

So he cheated on his first wife with his second wife and then cheated on his second wife with his now third wife. Does Carrie think she has a magic vagina or something? 🤔
I think the third or fourth wives of lascivious old roues hope to catch them as their libidos start to fade, and plan to be the one holding him when the music stops.
Peregrina · 30/05/2021 22:40

Why on earth can't you be happy for them?

Because when you see a much younger woman marrying a serial adulterer, you wonder whether this is going to be a good marriage which will bring mutual happiness, or whether it's something she would have been better running a mile from. She's not unattractive so I am sure that there are plenty of other wealthy men out there who could have offered her marriage. Not that Johnson is wealthy, if his complaints are to be believed.

Iamthewombat · 30/05/2021 22:48

How many more times will ill-informed people, who clearly know nothing about Catholicism, confidently assure us that Boris’ previous marriages “don’t count” or “are not recognised” because the previous marriages were not in the Catholic Church?

You must know that that is bollocks, surely?

Of course the Catholic Church recognises previous non-Catholic marriages. That is the case whether those marriages took place in another Christian church, in another faith or in a civil ceremony.

That is because if one person has entered into a marriage that is considered to be legally valid, the Catholic Church would still consider that person to be married, even after the person is divorced. The only way around it is to secure an annulment, and as previous well-informed posters have noted, that is not easy.

How do I know this? Perhaps because I’m a baptised Catholic who married a divorced man 14 years ago. I couldn’t get married in a Catholic Church, despite speaking to a priest and the bishop. They were understanding but it was a no go without an annulment, and since my husband had been married for 15 years and had a son of 14, it would have been difficult, to say nothing of unfair, to argue any grounds for annulment!

Both told me, off the record, that they thought it was rather unfair that I couldn’t have a nuptial mass when, to quote the priest, he had people waltzing in with three children outside marriage by three different fathers, wanting to marry a man who had fathered children outside marriage by several women, neither of whom ever went near a church but who wanted all the Catholic bells and whistles. There are no grounds to refuse, if one party had been baptised Catholic. They also told me that sometimes the non-Catholic divorced party lied about having been married before: they were usually found out, but not always.

I accepted it and married in the Church of England, which ironically was easy because my decidedly non-religious husband had been baptised in the C of E. Not all C of E vicars are keen to marry Catholics.

I suspect that Boris and Carrie have had a civil ceremony then a blessing in the cathedral. I’m interested in finding out. I’ll be furious if they have been allowed a full Catholic wedding ceremony, and if so I’ll be writing to Cardinal Nichols to find out (1) exactly what grounds they based the permission on and (2) why it’s one rule for a wealthy woman, who is not a practising Catholic, marrying a twice-divorced adulterer and another for normal women, who are practising Catholics, marrying a divorced man.

Which would be quite an own goal for the Catholic Church. I won’t be the only Catholic watching this story with interest.

Galdos · 30/05/2021 22:53

@52andblue - I'm Catholic too, and since Vatican 2 the RC church has liberalised considerably, but it has become almost impossible to work out what is still dogma, and what is old fashioned belief, no longer 'official.' In many respects the RC church seems more liberal than the CofE (from the description of parishes from some practising CofE friends). I guess that in both denominations the rules have become a bit more flexible, and some parishes have happy clappy vicars with a more relaxed outfit on life, and some have vicars with starched dog collars and a horrified expression ...

Years ago I went to a service at St Alban The Martyr in Holborn somewhere (CoE) and remember being appalled at the veneration of 'smells and bells' which my RC parish church had no truck with at all. I hadn't seen such clouds of incense since before Vatican II!

Peregrina · 30/05/2021 23:00

This sums it up well, Iamthewombat. Not all C of E vicars and even some non conformist ministers are happy to remarry divorcees. Although I think in those cases they will try to refer you to a vicar/minister who would be happy.

There are no grounds to refuse, if one party had been baptised Catholic.

I suppose they argue that if they accept the person as they are, then they will repent of their previous ways. Who knows? Johnson and Johnson might just turn over new leaves and have a Damascene conversion of sorts.

SwedishEdith · 30/05/2021 23:01

@Serpenta

A person who doesn't ever buy a round but happily accepts drinks from others is lower than a snake's belly, *@SwedishEdith*. I read a story on Twitter about him attending a retirement dinner for a colleague, where everyone was asked to pay a £40 deposit, and the organiser had to hunt Boris Johnson down a week after the event to force him to hand over the measly £40.

Meanness is one of the worst qualities in a person. And Boris Johnson has an embarrassment of riches to choose from when it comes to awful personality traits.

Agree that tightness is a deeply unattractive trait and also find it funny that everyone now knows he's tight.

Re the "Mrs Johnson" thing. It seems very odd these days, especially for high profile women. I'm wondering if she's still insecure in some way and wants to be the Mrs Johnson? I'm assuming none of his other wives became that.

Peregrina · 30/05/2021 23:04

You are not alone in questioning why the Church marriage was allowed.

snowflake29f · 30/05/2021 23:23

How many loony left libral women are on here. How much self respect do you actually have, alls i have read on this post is what a failure our PM is and that he had an affair. Well loves half of you ain't all that either, i have read go knows how many women are sleeping around behind their husbands backs.
I also want to know what you would of done about this pandemic? He was being advised by the way by doctors and scientists he didn't just wake up and decide to close Lakeside to cheese you off.

Rosehip10 · 30/05/2021 23:30

@snowflake29f Hi Carrie.

nancy75 · 30/05/2021 23:36

I also want to know what you would of done about this pandemic

I wouldn’t of done anything, loves...

Serpenta · 30/05/2021 23:42

@Iamthewombat, it's been driving me potty all the day the number of people confidently stating why Johnson and Symonds were able to marry and why it's all very simple really you see! Overnight experts in Catholicism.

Tealightsandd · 30/05/2021 23:49

also want to know what you would of done about this pandemic? He was being advised by the way by doctors and scientists he didn't just wake up and decide to close Lakeside to cheese you off.

I wish Boris and Carrie well with their marriage. I Ioved her dress.

Pandemic measures? I would have done the same as Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Vietnam, and many African countries.

Border control. Vital in a pandemic. (Genuinely) essential travel only with proper quarantine. Encouraged mask adherance from the start, and good test and trace system.

Boris and his colleagues choose long repeated lockdowns instead.

ellyeth · 31/05/2021 00:16

Reports on the internet suggest that because the first two marriages were not in a Catholic church they aren't recognised by the Catholic church as marriages. Is that true? It seems crazy to me.