I think harry is really brave

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Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

They could choose to stay out of the public eye, they aren't actually as interesting as they think they are.

Clearly they are though, just look at the attention these threads get. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Talking about having MH issues is brave.
Airing your family grievances in public is foolish.

@LalalalalalaLand123

On the other hand, my cousin dying at 23? That was absolutely heartbreaking. Same with my aunts in their 30s.

I didn't realise grief was a competition based on age. Hint: it's not.

Did I say it was a competition? It's nothing to do with 'competitive grief'

I'm sorry but I don't know how a very elderly person is in any way comparable to a child or young person dying. It just is not the same at all. Tell me where there is any possible comfort in a young person dying?

My cousin- spent years of his young life unwell, unable to learn to drive because of it, couldn't complete his degree, a life cut short. He barely had more than a childhood, he never got to have a career, to travel, to marry and have children if he wanted. It's absolutely tragic. A very elderly person has hopefully had a long and happy life.

It's a very, very unhealthy attitude to death if someone in their 90s dying is seen as tragic. Of course you miss the person that you love, of course it's sad. It is not tragic though.

I think if Harry and Meghan split up Harry would be welcomed back to the royal family if that’s what he wished. Even if they didn’t split up I think they’d be welcomed back and any discomfort hidden.

I think the issue Harry faces is his kids are on American soil and will be raised there, at no stage can Harry come back when his kids are there, he won’t leave them, so if him and Meghan split, Harry would stay there, as Meghan would fight tooth and nail to keep them with her. Rightly so.

So Harry is in the us for the long haul.

It was always going to be a time of great sorrow for the Queen and her family. One look at her, Charles and Anne and others on the day of the funeral told you that.

It should have been a celebration of a life bloody well lived too (there is space for both emotions) but it was marred by the actions of two of their family members. There is no coming back from that.

That will come home to roost one day and I seriously hope that those who will have undoubtedly caused great upset as PP was coming to the end of his life can live with that.

I personally could not.

@VoodooQueenofthebayou

When Charles becomes King, will he still be saying all this? if so surely there would consequences to a titled individual publicly slagging off the monarch?

At that point doesn't it become more serious if he is actively undermining the reigning monarch and damaging the UK reputation overseas. Would Parliament get involved?

No idea on this as its unprecedented. Surely they'd be forced to take action to protect the crown?

The question is also - If its all so awful and toxic why aren't they giving up their titles voluntarily and walking away? Why complain (incorrectly) that their son wasn't given a title at birth?.

I get not wanting to be royal, I get not getting on with your family. Walk away, get help and don't trash everyone in public, repeatedly. They are wealthy beyond words, could do all sorts of good but instead its one attack after another.

@LalalalalalaLand123

I think it is highly irresponsible of Harry's therapist (if they had a choice) to allow him to carry on in this way, publicly crucifying his closest family, making things up, rewriting history, making accusations when he knows the other side cannot respond. This doesn't heal anyone, least of all Harry - it creates new wounds, new traumas, new pain. His therapist should have suggested some other way to heal the wounds - in private, perhaps family therapy of some sort. This is a grotesque public display of character assasinations and the destruction of a family, for profit - for Harry and Meghan's profit.

So sad that H&M feel they will be happier with this blood money, than actually trying to heal the wounds - or, just quietly cutting ties, going NC and moving on.

Yes it is highly irresponsible of Harry's therapist. Why would they sanction that. I had therapy after the early death of my brother. Nothing like the death of a parent when very young of course. Therapy can never bring the loved person back. You're left with daily pain but you have to manage it. No doubt I'll be flamed for this post so waiting for the brickbats

In their Oprah interview I thought that Meghan had asked palace staff for help with her mental issues and they had refused to help. I was surprised that an American actress wouldn't be well aware of how to get some support, counselling being quite a thing in those circles, and have just got on with it.
Now Harry says she told him about her dire mental state and they went to palace staff and got no support. My first thought was why would they do that? He's said that he had counselling himself - why didn't he just support his wife himself and sort something out for her? They both would have had the information they needed easily to hand and no need to ask palace staff to do anything.
They are fortunate because they can both access whatever support they choose for themselves immediately and afford to pay for it. It beggars belief that two adults in their position are now choosing to blame others because they didn't do that. I know some who have mental health issues (in my close family in fact) go into themselves and don't ask for help. But Meghan did - she told her husband.

Did I say it was a competition? It's nothing to do with 'competitive grief'

And yet you continue to argue that grief is a competition based on age.

So, they'll be handing back their titles any moment now, right? If the RF really is so awful, why would they want their titles? For the money, of course. There's a premium that comes with being a duke and duchess. They're so transparent as they hawk their stories around Hollywood for the cash that you could put a pair of curtains on them and call them a window.

Wheresthebeach I think that one is easy to answer. Without the royal connection through a title they are not as bankable.

@LalalalalalaLand123

Did I say it was a competition? It's nothing to do with 'competitive grief'

And yet you continue to argue that grief is a competition based on age.

Nope. I just live in the real world.

Yes he feels let down and unsupported but what was stopping him organising his own private therapy and professional support for himself and or Meghan.
All this asking for help and not getting it maybe when he was a young man but as an adult with the means he could have gone anywhere.
However I honestly think there are some paid people (non family) in “The Firm” that need sacking if there was not anyone with any compassion. Why the hell isn’t there someone employed for well being and mental health or on a consultancy on hand? It’s very outdated, the stresses of being in the public eye so much and all the press you would think they would have someone on that aspect.
If it’s just his family he feels let down by then that should be between them really.

Harry would stay there, as Meghan would fight tooth and nail to keep them with her

It is no accident that they just happened to end up in the US is it bluntness? Meghan knew exactly what she was doing. Despite the new start in Canada they were supposed to be sharing, that lasted just a few weeks. Harry now finds himself on her home turf and she is holding all of the cards, particularly if they split. All credit to her, she has played an absolute blinder. Flawless.

I think it is highly irresponsible of Harry's therapist (if they had a choice) to allow him to carry on in this way,

Huh? Therapists don’t get to allow or disallow. That’s not what therapy is. Harry is a middle aged mad doing his own thing. It’s not his therapists fault. What were they supposed to do. Lock him up?

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

Harry would stay there, as Meghan would fight tooth and nail to keep them with her

It is no accident that they just happened to end up in the US is it bluntness? Meghan knew exactly what she was doing. Despite the new start in Canada they were supposed to be sharing, that lasted just a few weeks. Harry now finds himself on her home turf and she is holding all of the cards, particularly if they split. All credit to her, she has played an absolute blinder. Flawless.

I’d agree that being in the us gives Meghan much more power than it does Harry.

Therapy doesn’t seem to be working for Harry.
He needs a change to his treatment somehow. Living through this every day is really unhealthy.
Expecting anyone, Father, Brother, Grandparents to fix it for him is unrealistic as it seems Harry needs more than conventional grief therapies.

Family?

So williams spoke out in contempt of the BBC and Martin Bashir over the Diana interview but kept quiet when Harry and Megan faced constant criticism and scrutiny and his dad has stood by most of his life whilst the tabloids and most the UK picked apart who his dad might be. Not once did he speak up and say enough is enough....... Or even bring in Lawyers to stop them from running certain articles.

Call that family? I wouldn't have any loyalty towards people who had treated me like that either. No wonder he's screwed up.

They need to be really careful now though. As soon as they are caught on camera saying anything that goes against their woke image they will be crucified. One misplaced comment or sting operation caught on tape and they will have big problems. They are going to be super paranoid because everyone around them will be willing to sell a story.

Talking is good.
Monetising your pain is really not good.
Being coerced into monetising your pain is disgraceful abuse, if that is happening.
Doing what Diana did, being on the front line hugging AIDS patients and walking where there were landmines, that's in a different league of good.

Bluntness100
Of course - I did say 'if they had a choice'. I just mean if the therapist in some way sanctioned or encouraged it. Hopefully they didn't. But I wish they could have talked him out of it.

The be kind brigade obviously took a holiday!

@ilovebagpuss

Yes he feels let down and unsupported but what was stopping him organising his own private therapy and professional support for himself and or Meghan. All this asking for help and not getting it maybe when he was a young man but as an adult with the means he could have gone anywhere. However I honestly think there are some paid people (non family) in “The Firm” that need sacking if there was not anyone with any compassion. Why the hell isn’t there someone employed for well being and mental health or on a consultancy on hand? It’s very outdated, the stresses of being in the public eye so much and all the press you would think they would have someone on that aspect. If it’s just his family he feels let down by then that should be between them really.

They do have personal Doctors and physicians. Meghan would have been seen by her birth team regularly, particularly with her age. Midwifes are supposed to ask pregnant women about depression, it’s very much flagged up these day as we are so aware of pre and post natal depression.

And I'm sorry but I still can't get over the fact that apparently his son's first word was crocodile (all three syllables).

..... I'm putting money on his second word being 'tears'.

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

Harry would stay there, as Meghan would fight tooth and nail to keep them with her

It is no accident that they just happened to end up in the US is it bluntness? Meghan knew exactly what she was doing. Despite the new start in Canada they were supposed to be sharing, that lasted just a few weeks. Harry now finds himself on her home turf and she is holding all of the cards, particularly if they split. All credit to her, she has played an absolute blinder. Flawless.

You're no longer even pretending not to blame Meghan, clearly. Yes, it was Meghan's fault people tracked them down in Canada. Everything is Meghan's fault. Your misogyny is disgusting and says a lot about you.