I think harry is really brave

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Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

@CyberGhost

Him criticizing the Second Amendment while literally freely speaking on a podcast means he lost what little credibility he had with me.

Sounds to me like he was used to ruling over people instead of being seen as equal to them.

Yeah that was a bit of a cockup. It shows what the courtiers actually did, keeping him on message all of those years. His only “gaffes” pre-marriage were things that happened when he was off the clock and partying.

@IcedPurple

I think everyone has the right to speak out if they feel they need to, as far as I can see nobody is stopping them.

Sure, they've got the right. Doesn't mean it's a classy thing to do though. No doubt you very much agreed with Samantha Markle writing a book about her sister?

Charles found it acceptable to tell the nation all about his affair in an interview didn't he? I imagine that would of had an impact on Diana's mental health and she then went on to do her own.

What's your point here? Are you saying Charles was right to do that?

Harry's family didn't take care of his mental health when he was a child, why should he be prioritising theirs now.

You absolutely do not know that. You are believing without question the unsupported claims of a bitter little man.

He might be sorry he's alienated his family a few years down the line. Now he's got nobody other than a wife who has discarded everyone in her life once they were no longer of use to her.

I don't particularly care about 'classy' especially when someone is is talking about struggles they have. And Samantha is free to do what she wants just like the rest of them, I don't think she comes across as a nice person so I don't pay much attention to her if I'm honest.

I'm making the point that if Charles was happy to air that dirty laundry without thinking about anyone else then I can't see why he would have a problem doing it now or why he would think it unacceptable of Harry to do it.

I know for a fact they allowed two children to be filmed for the world walking behind there mothers coffin, that's enough for me.

I think he's a consummate whingebag, just like his father. For people so privileged they are certainly very good at feeling sorry for themselves, much as I have little doubt they're a highly dysfunctional bunch and Harry probably has some very legitimate complaints (as, indeed, did his father about his own upbringing).

But nobody likes a whiner.

He's just like Andrew - thinks he can say what he likes and the peasants have to believe him because of who he is. Nope, sorry Harry, you're telling porkies.

Burnt out because he was the family's "yes man"? Really? Looking back at the record of royal engagements he never did a lot...his most arduous year was 2019 where he did 201 engagements. Even if you assume that each of those was on a separate day and took up a normal 7 hour work day (ha ha ha) that's still 12 weeks of leave per year. Hardly the family's yes man when Charles and Anne both did over 500 engagements in the same year. Ambitious and realising he didn't want to spend his life going to an ever increasing number of dull functions? Sure. Overworked? I don't buy it.

And I'm sorry but I still can't get over the fact that apparently his son's first word was crocodile (all three syllables). No way that happened.

To those who say it's not about money as he'd have had more if he stayed - I'm not so sure. And besides, even with the money he'd have been expected to do his job full time which he didn't want to do.

I think his decision is fair enough and understandable even. The way he's spinning it though is really weasel-y.

@patienz

He's married to a narcissist. He is being manipulated

He’s certainly laying quite a lot bare about his conversations with his wife in the crises.

@patienz

He's married to a narcissist. He is being manipulated

@patienz Oh such misogynist language! Blame the woman for everything, right? Harry was like this way before he met Meghan. But do keep blaming the woman for everything and give the man a free pass!

Ricki I think I'll watch it later too (and possibly make my partner sit through it with me). I'd rather be a bit more circumspect until then.

As it stands my view is that

• every time M&H do, basically, anything, people seem to lose the plot
• Nowt wrong with making a documentary about MH provided it's done responsibly
• I'm very dubious about anyone who denigrates him for speaking out about his experiences or seem to want to do the RF's job for them of maintaining the status quo.
• We probably know only a fraction of everything that's happened and might be less sympathetic to the 'victims' in the RF if we did
• they're all only human. The frenzy is deeply disturbing and helps nobody, whatever 'side' you're on.

I agree with you OP. I think mental health issues really need more attention than they get in our society, and if Harry's revelations help the dialogue along then that's all to the good as far as I'm concerned. Yes, he's far more privileged than many/most, but that doesn't alter the fact that he has suffered and struggled. Money/titles/privilege can only help with that to a certain extent.

To be honest, some of the slurs that have been used on this thread - 'whining', 'ridiculous', 'victim', 'desperate', 'whinger', 'wrapped up in himself' - just illustrate why people keep quiet about their mental health struggles in the first place imho.

I have severe mental health issues. I am gladdened when anybody speaks out , whether it be a celebrity or not. I am sick of people saying he is moaning or that he is disrespectful. This is HIS life and HIS mental
Health issue and he is handling it the way he sees fit. There is no doubt in my mind that the RF have a history of “stiff upper lip” which needs addressing and thank goodness Harry wants different for his children.

Charles found it acceptable to tell the nation all about his affair in an interview didn't he? I imagine that would of had an impact on Diana's mental health and she then went on to do her own.

Charles refused to address the affair at first. It took heavy persuasion from Jonathan Dimbleby and another recording (I think maybe another shoot rather than a second take) before he agreed to address the question which Dimbleby insisted was pivotal.

He must be absolutely kicking himself now, for allowing himself to be talked round and this setting the precedent. It’s been dominos since then.

I still don't understand why they don't get Royal protection'
They left the country and gave up Royal life. Do you want to carry on paying for it, as a taxpayer?

I think Harry is clearly in a very bad place mentally and believes this public expression of his feelings will gain him sympathy and make him feel better. Sadly I think the opposite will happen, I think Charles treated Diana badly but I don’t believe he deserves to be taken to task in front of the whole world and for that he has my sympathy. Harry should resolve his issues privately with his family . I think he is being exploited , anyone who really cares about him should not be happy for him to expose his feelings public ally whilst he is so vulnerable. In time I think he will regret that he put what should have remained private out in the public domain.

I'm making the point that if Charles was happy to air that dirty laundry without thinking about anyone else then I can't see why he would have a problem doing it now or why he would think it unacceptable of Harry to do it.

Charles supposedly very much regrets doing it. Maybe Harry will feel the same when Archie goes on a talk show to talk about his toxic parents 2 decades from now (if anyone is still interested). Or when Meghan does the divorce tell all with Oprah a couple of years from now.

Saying 'Well Charles did it!" is a really poor line of argumentation. Either you think it's OK for people to repeatedly slag off their families in front of the world for cash, or you don't. We obviously disagree on this.

I wonder what Oprah thinks privately about Harry and Meghan's relationships with their parents. She has been very public about her own need to come to terms with her upbringing (which was not good), her relationship with her mother. I believe she has done several films and interviews about forgiving and accepting that your parents do the best they can at the time. It must be interesting to see this from the perspective of an older woman with a hell of a lot more experience in the wider world.

And I'm sorry but I still can't get over the fact that apparently his son's first word was crocodile (all three syllables). No way that happened

I can't for the life of me think why that might be his word, not Dada or Mama like the rest of the world. Maybe there is something in that word that resembled a crocodile to him A Freudian slip perhaps?

@Aspiringmatriarch

Ricki I think I'll watch it later too (and possibly make my partner sit through it with me). I'd rather be a bit more circumspect until then.

As it stands my view is that

• every time M&H do, basically, anything, people seem to lose the plot
• Nowt wrong with making a documentary about MH provided it's done responsibly
• I'm very dubious about anyone who denigrates him for speaking out about his experiences or seem to want to do the RF's job for them of maintaining the status quo.
• We probably know only a fraction of everything that's happened and might be less sympathetic to the 'victims' in the RF if we did
• they're all only human. The frenzy is deeply disturbing and helps nobody, whatever 'side' you're on.

It’s not what we’ve been conditioned to expect from the BRF, is it? They’ve spent the last twenty years trying to tell us that the Charles and Di years were an aberration and everything is now back on track.

I am concerned Harry is vulnerable and being exploited, though. I saw the clip on the BBC in which he talks about the horses hooves at his mother’s funeral and it felt far too much like an actual therapy session to me. He could talk about MH without viscerally living his most traumatising moments.

So I will watch it, but I’m bracing myself to find it unsettling. If I’m wrong, I’ll come back and say so.

I’m not a Harry fan, too much whingeing. I’m glad he’s spoken up about the ridiculous jumping on the band wagon collective grief following his mother’s death. At least no one can justify that bizarre behaviour now and uk citizens won’t behave so embarrassingly again.

He needs a proper job and a few bills to worry about paying like normal people. That would focus his mind on the here and now. He has the emotional maturity of a foot stamping four year old crying "it's just SO not fair".

Yeah, life isn't fair mate, most people have had it far worse. He's an embarrassment.

I think it’s self indulgent whinging!
Talk to a therapist, yes. Media indulgence not so much.
Alongside his struggles and challenges, he’s had huge privilege with private education, no money worries etc.....

Do you think Oprah is already considering at what age Archie will be fair game to air his grievances against Harry and Meghan? Lining up the perfect position to instil the next chapter of the drama triangle.

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

When I think that his grandfather was only buried last month, Prince Philip and the mourning and sadness that must be awful for the Queen and the family, it really is beyond the pale to do this under any circumstances.

Harry launched the devastating OW interview whilst Prince Phillip lay dying hospital, and Harry did not even bother to visit him in the last weeks and days of his life, and instead he choose to attack them instead in full view of the world.

Only a few weeks later berating the kind of life he inherited from the Queen and Prince Philip.

How can anyone not see how deeply cruel this is?

I really can't believe anyone could be so unkind at a moment of such vulnerability in the midst of bereavement and loss. It is anything but brave!!! No wonder several members of the royal family turned their back on him. He is an angry outcast that will do anything to hurt them.

@Summercocktailsinthesnow Oh please, the Queen has gone back to work and resumed duties, and she is his widow!

The OW interview was shot before Phillip went into hospital let alone dying. And attacking Harry for not visiting, when he lived in another country during the pandemic, is really beyond the pale.

any of these threads which veer into criticism of Meghan Markle tend to get zapped fairly quickly

You're having a LAUGH!
Go and search her name and put in the dates of the last two years and sit and wait for the literally hundreds of threads to load. And yes, mostly criticism of her, but him too.
How anyone can say that threads criticising Meghan are zapped god alone knows.

When you have had a traumatic past there comes a point when you decide to truly be in recovery you have to let go of what happened and have acceptance to truly move on.
I don't think PH is at that point and I think going over and over about it in the press is not doing his recovery any good.

Some day, maybe in the not too distant future, there'll come a time when Harry doesn't have a single thing left to say about anything.