I think harry is really brave

[ssd]

Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

@Summercocktailsinthesnow: are you the poster who claimed to be there when Harry was getting drunk? Someone claimed they were there, so M&H were lying. I'm wondering who that was, because unless someone on MN was out with Harry at that time, that's an interesting thing to declare.

I just saw a brief clip of him talking on the BBC News.

I actually think there's something seriously wrong with him right now. The way he was talking seemed very unbalanced and desperate to me. I really think he's in a mess and digging himself deeper and deeper into it.

What he is doing is awful. I'm not sure what his future holds.

@ssd I think the worst aspect of what is going on here is that people like yourself would feel that a four part Apple TV international ratings blockbuster has anything to do with mental health care.

It looks very much to me like Harry is being manipulated.

I’d ignore it all and look after your own well-being.

I think everyone has the right to speak out if they feel they need to, as far as I can see nobody is stopping them.

Sure, they've got the right. Doesn't mean it's a classy thing to do though. No doubt you very much agreed with Samantha Markle writing a book about her sister?

Charles found it acceptable to tell the nation all about his affair in an interview didn't he? I imagine that would of had an impact on Diana's mental health and she then went on to do her own.

What's your point here? Are you saying Charles was right to do that?

Harry's family didn't take care of his mental health when he was a child, why should he be prioritising theirs now.

You absolutely do not know that. You are believing without question the unsupported claims of a bitter little man.

He might be sorry he's alienated his family a few years down the line. Now he's got nobody other than a wife who has discarded everyone in her life once they were no longer of use to her.

What frustrates me is rich celebrities going on about how important it is to acknowledge mental health problems and seek help, when they have massive resources to get said help. Most people are dependent on the NHS, and psych services are woefully underfunded . So admitting you have a problem is just the first stage. You then have to wait months to get some counselling. I’d prefer wealthy celebs to sponsor services rather than do tear jerking interviews. But I guess if it encourages people to open up then it’s better than nothing

Celebs paying for some patchy services would do almost zero to the months people have to wait for help on the NHS.

But what Harry and others do is make us all aware of MH issues, losing a parent at a young age "can" cause issues further down the line, often years later.

If Harry speaking up makes us vote differently or forces ALL political parties take MH seriously, it can only be a good thing.

I don't get how anyone who listened to a fellow human talking about his MH troubles to the extent PH did but then dismissing them as "Lies, attention seeking or as a means to make money" probably needs help themselves.

@merrygoround88

Every generation blames the one before but thus far haven’t been so endlessly public and actually quite cruel. What about Charles and Williams mental health - does that not matter?

My parents were, by any measurement, not the greatest of parents. However it’s pointless to blame or point fingers retrospectively, nothing can be changed.
However you can make a conscious decision to do things differently yourself. I admire that Harry has made that choice to change how he parents his child but do it quietly fgs. Have some dignity

@merrygoround88 Did Charles care about Diana's mental health?

Did William care about Harry's or Meghan's mental health when they let a lie persist in the public and did nothing to stop it?

Just stop with the hypocrisy.

Because from where I am sitting it looks like he is having a fairly serious mental health breakdown, and is dangerously exposed and vulnerable surrounded by some pretty shady characters cashing in on his misery, taking great pleasure in degrading a senior member of the royal family

I agree.

All the points you make about considering the other people in the family: those are the exact same tactics that abusive families use on abuse victims: think of your old granny/young cousins/whoever. There is always someone the abuse victim must consider, always a reason to stay quiet.

I agree.

If Harry wants to speak out, he should and he can. He will probably find it very healing to do so, as many others do. If he regrets it in the future, then he will have live with those regrets. I don’t think he will regret it though.

@Aspiringmatriarch

Just out of interest, has anyone watched the programme? I'd like to know how much of this is a genuine reaction after having viewed it.

I will after work. Not sure I’ll manage all four hours, though.

I think he's just poking and stoking the same fire he blames for everything going wrong in his past.

Professional public whinger is spot on. Aided by the wonderfully sensitive and self aware social media queen. Quids in.

@DoingItMyself

I think he's horrible - or at least, his behaviour is horrible. What's the word for when someone turns against the monarch, the country, his family, and tries to do them harm? There is a word for it.

Treason?

(To The Tower for them)

Him criticizing the Second Amendment while literally freely speaking on a podcast means he lost what little credibility he had with me.

Sounds to me like he was used to ruling over people instead of being seen as equal to them.

He didn't ignore his grandpa. (Interestingly emotive language on your part, though). He flew in for his grandpa's funeral, visited his granny, and then flew back to his pregnant wife

Harry was given plenty of notice - weeks in fact - to fly home and say a private goodbye to a grandfather he used to be extremely close to. He choose not to, and instead launched the Oprah show instead. Flying back for the funeral is beside the point, he let all of his family down at a moment of great loss. I am not sure that will ever be forgotten or forgiven. Harry only added to their pain at a time of great stress and suffering.

I think that depends on the family and who they're mourning. It also depends on the individual's moral compass, and how the feel about mental health and other issues

You are right, it does depend on a person's moral compass, agreed, and in that department Harry is very much lacking.

There is never a good time to savage your family in public, on a global scale, and anyone with an ounce of decency wouldn't choose to do so in the midst of such mourning. It is callous and insidious.

He's married to a narcissist. He is being manipulated

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This is just a different way of monetising his title really.

I love how everyone ‘knows’ so much on these threads. 🤣

@Justme10

Icedpurple I think everyone has the right to speak out if they feel they need to, as far as I can see nobody is stopping them.

Charles found it acceptable to tell the nation all about his affair in an interview didn't he? I imagine that would of had an impact on Diana's mental health and she then went on to do her own.

Harry's family didn't take care of his mental health when he was a child, why should he be prioritising theirs now.

He’s not thinking about his own children when he overshares very personal stuff with the entire world. This stuff will be on the internet forever.

H and M seem to focus mainly on suing newspapers and having very public falling outs with both their families. Yes, they have some genuine grievances but their children are going to grow up in this toxic environment.

@GrandDuchessRomanov

Funny how he only started bleating when Charles cut the funding.

It all smacks of revenge to me. Nothing "Brave" about it at all.

True. Harry and Meghan wanted to be "half in/half out" of the Royal family just over a year ago. It obviously all can't have been that bad.

I am surprised this thread is still standing. Only a matter of time I suppose.
Harry seems to be unraveling before our eyes, but I also feel for his family members, especially the Queen and Prince William.

I wouldn't mind if Harry had turned against the monarchy and actually said that level of hereditary position and wealth is unjust and entrenches class discrimination. However, his complaining is all about personal family issues which would have been better kept between themselves or between him and his therapist.

I also would have more respect for him if he criticised companies like Procter and Gamble instead of using his unearned status to help them wokewash their image, or if he actually pledged never to take a private jet or fly first-class ever again. It's all PR, clinging on to every bit of money and status you can grab while telling the public you are the most victimised yet simultaneously virtuous person in the world.

All I think is poor Archie. What a bloody toxic dynamic to grow up in.

@MmeLaraque I hardly think the comparison with Jimmy Saville is appropriate. Maybe Charles and Diana were not the best parents but they weren’t that

@sparemonitor He just publicly laid into the way that Charles was parented, with Philip barely cold in his grave. That's a disgusting thing to do to your family.

Charles himself gave an interview years ago where he talked about how his parenting affected him negatively, so why isn't it ok for Harry to say the same thing? In fact, if you listen to what Harry said, he didn't even mention Charles. He was saying how each generation makes mistakes and the next generation vow to do better.

That is .....ALL he said!