Women who use 'she/her' ??

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

I've noticed this in many social media profiles, but I also saw it used today in an email signature from someone in a professional agency I'm working with. Why do women (who are very clearly women from their Instagram pictures or their own names) use '(she/her)' in their bio / signature after their name? Am I missing something here? Isn't it obvious? What is the point of this? Just really seems stupid to me, but then perhaps I've completely missed something...? 🤷‍♀️

Example of the signature:

Isabelle Winter (she/her) • Senior Account Executive

@SmiledWithTheRisingSun

Why does it fucking matter if the email is from a man or a woman?!? Would you read it differently? Honestly such self obsessed bollocks.

Exactly, the gender of the person is immaterial. If I am told to include pronouns (we’ve been asked to) I’m simply going to say that I consider my gender to be personal information and I choose not to disclose or discuss it. My employer has no right to know my gender.

@Quaggars just because they were there doesn’t mean things haven’t gone mental now But I see support for it all is slowly disappearing and people are waking up to the shitty mentality that’s about (and by that I’m talking about the abuse activists inflict upon women, not about trans identifying people who have every right to exist and have their own spaces and be free of abuse themselves).

I work in a corporate environment and they’ve started putting pronouns in email signatures. For reasons already mentioned by PP, I’m not playing along with this bollocks, so I’ve just deleted the pronouns line in my email signature and no one has said anything. In the 6 weeks since it started, I’ve noticed just one person has put their pronouns in. One person 😂.

Not read alll the thread

I'm Not into woke bollux but surely this could be useful in some circumstances.

I'm fully supportive of people who choose to put this - although adding (Ms/Mrs/Mr/Miss) as appropriate seems to make more sense to me, if you have an ambiguous name - even just (F) or (M) - but what is the point of everybody being expected to do it.

Suppose you were deaf, it wouldn't be in any way odd or unreasonable if you preferred to put "Please note: I cannot (or do not) use the phone for voice calls, so kindly communicate with me by email/text/WhatsApp/letter" after your contact details. However, who on earth would suggest that all of the hearing employees should add "Please note: I am not deaf, so feel free to call me" ? If anything, I think it almost looks like you're mocking those with special/unusual circumstances by deliberately highlighting your 'mainstream' status.

What would happen if you stated that you personally did not accept the use of pronouns for you, and so had an email signature that said:

Caroline Louise Peters-Jenkins (Caroline Louise Peters-Jenkins/Caroline Louise Peters-Jenkins)

Would this be respected, however inconvenient and unnatural it would sound saying your full name multiple times in every sentence? Only fair.

@Carriemac

I'd put

"Obviously when you're talking to me you'll use my name. When you're talking about me, it's really not my business to police your language."

This, a million times over. Which is precisely why it is pointless virtue signalling - it doesn't make anyone feel 'safer' or 'better', it's utterly meaningless.

Except, of course, for the way it draws attention to the fact that someone may be female. And there is evidence to suggest that this is actively detrimental to women in the workplace. But obviously the TRA agenda isn't in any way misogynist, no sirree.

We've just been asked to include it in our email signatures. I've refused, as have most of our team.
Fundamentally, my gender, and whether it matches my biological sex, is nobodies fucking business and not at all relevant in a work environment.

I've only seen it on one email I've received and it was from an obviously female recruiter via LinkedIn. I absolutely judged it as woke virtue signalling from a young woman who hasn't yet experienced discrimination because of her sex, and made me view her as inexperienced overall (total snap judgement and may not be accurate but LinkedIn is all about first impressions after all).

I received a professional email from someone with this on the bottom yesterday. It gave me irrational rage.

@SmiledWithTheRisingSun

Why does it fucking matter if the email is from a man or a woman?!? Would you read it differently? Honestly such self obsessed bollocks.

Yes, often people do exactly that. The outcome generally being negative for people identified (by themselves or others) as female.

Mine would be Not / Relevant

I received an e-mail from someone yesterday who had put Jane Smith (The cat's mother/er indoors) presumably due to compulsory pronoun fields.

@Insidelaurashead

Wow, there's some incredibly intolerant people on this site. It doesn't make me any less of a woman if my trans colleague wants to be referred to as they/them and if me putting she/her in my email makes them more comfortable putting they/them, which in turn saves them upset in the future, then I'm all for it.

Why would me writing she make them more comfortable writing they? That’s the part I don’t understand. They could write they, and that’s fine, but surely if they were a rare they in a sea of he and she they would feel equally left out, or different, in some way?

@JSL52

NHS here. They want us to have them on our name badges. It's a no from me, you can see what I am if I'm standing in front of you or by my female name. Been told to change e mail signature too.

Do you have to do this??

The NHS has bought into this to a horrifying extent.

@MsRinky

I received an e-mail from someone yesterday who had put Jane Smith (The cat's mother/er indoors) presumably due to compulsory pronoun fields.

I really hope everyone sticks to using them around her and that she's happy using them and not just piss taking, as that would be funny to hear her keep being referred to as er indoors or the cats mother If it's the latter and was trying to be funny bet she'd soon get fed up of her joke lol

Presumably it will become normal. I flinch when I see it in an email at the moment because it's such a new, abnormal and weird way to behave - my mother would have been mortified if I'd ever been introduced to someone and ordered them to refer to me in a particular way (I have trouble correcting people who use the wrong name for me, and I'm also usually referred to by my profession rather than my name on the wards), and I like it when my sex is not foregrounded at work. All that means there will have to be extensive social pressure to normalise it. Which we'll get, I guess. If I go on some training session and there's a pronoun round, of course I will join in because it would be ridiculous to make a fuss about something so minor, even though it feels like an actual fucking violation to me and my entire values.

So far I have had the odd email signature using pronouns from outside my organisation, and perhaps one or two from inside. I suppose I'll get used to it.

@SoapboxFox

Mine would be Not / Relevant

Totally going to use this if I ever get told to do it.

Presumably it will become normal.

I can't see it catching on personally, apart from within certain groups.

I agree with "woke bollocks". No one has to do this. Luckily in my workplace the management are rolling their eyes at this type of behaviour however a UK workplace would be unable to insist on this bloody awful virtue signalling shite.

If I go on some training session and there's a pronoun round, of course I will join in because it would be ridiculous to make a fuss about something so minor, even though it feels like an actual fucking violation to me and my entire values.

Female socialisation in a nutshell.

I received an e-mail from someone yesterday who had put Jane Smith (The cat's mother/er indoors) presumably due to compulsory pronoun fields

@JellySlice

If I go on some training session and there's a pronoun round, of course I will join in because it would be ridiculous to make a fuss about something so minor, even though it feels like an actual fucking violation to me and my entire values.

Female socialisation in a nutshell.

Yes, absolutely.

Please DO "make a fuss" because if it's a violation to you and all your values, then it's clearly not something "minor".

It’s utter bollocks
Along with people saying ciswoman/man

@JSL52 I am surprised at that! (and appalled)
I was just going to say I work in a Health Visiting team and glad this has infiltrated our service. I really hope it stays that way.
What part of the country are you?

hasn’t