Women who use 'she/her' ??

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

I've noticed this in many social media profiles, but I also saw it used today in an email signature from someone in a professional agency I'm working with. Why do women (who are very clearly women from their Instagram pictures or their own names) use '(she/her)' in their bio / signature after their name? Am I missing something here? Isn't it obvious? What is the point of this? Just really seems stupid to me, but then perhaps I've completely missed something...? 🤷‍♀️

Example of the signature:

Isabelle Winter (she/her) • Senior Account Executive

I was actually in a Zoom meeting where someone said ‘Hi I’m Jon pronouns he/him’ 😂😂 He sounded like a right prat. And as for all the pronouns in emails, ffs!!

Last labour party even I attended (zoom) it took almost 20mins to go round and for each person to give their name an preferred pronoun. Along with some shambolic reason as to why this was necessary.

Complete waste of time. Issues to discuss. Let's get on with it.

I won't be attending again, had enough of the party's representation in my area. This example plays a part in why I will no longer be supporting.

It's to highlight that they're women, and should be discriminated against. Well, that might not be the intent, but it's liable to be the effect.

My dh recently started a new role and he was told he had to put how he wanted others to refer in emails.

@ClarrieGrundy

It's nonsense virtual signalling.

It makes a lot of women (and some men) feel incredibly uncomfortable.

I would actively avoid doing business with anyone with pronouns in their bio.

I’d avoid doing business with you to be fair if this was such an issue for you.

I would actively avoid doing business with anyone with pronouns in their bio.

Wouldn't that come under discrimination, if you refused to work with someone who displayed their pronouns?
Plenty of trans or non binary people do, and to actively avoid them if you saw their pronouns in correspondence is kind of discriminatory.

I also work with lots of people who don't necessarily have English names. I have absolutely no idea if I should use he or she when referring to them and it can be super awkward. I end up having to just talk about them in the third person rather than get it wrong. I think it's really useful

That's a good point, never thought of that and yes can be useful for if you don't know from a name whether they are male or female.
Can see it being handy there

If you like to think of yourself as the opposite sex, or even as not having a sex, fine. Go ahead, present how you like, be comfortable in your skin.

But don't tell me what to think or how to speak.

Apologies for huge amount of weird typos in my post, auto correct lost the plot.

I understand doing so if you have a name that is used by both women and men (or an abbreviated form), or if your name reflects overseas birth or heritage and so someone less or unaware of names from that ethnicity would not automatically know. It should always be optional to do so.

It is a disadvantage to out myself as a woman when in my culture men are respected and valued above women. My name isn't an obvious indicator to most white British people and I'd rather keep it that way so that men do not know I am a woman.

If that's the case however newnortherner why not just add a title. Difficult I appreciate if it's Prof or Dr.

Because they are entitled to be called whatever name they choose, likewise if they wish to announce their preferred pronouns they are equally entitled to do this.

Sure thing. As long as they don't expect others to do the same in order to validate them. I find it useful when people put their pronouns. Shows me who I need to avoid.

Well I'd have to sign off as Oi!/Misses/Bird as this is generally used more often than my actual name...

Why does it fucking matter if the email is from a man or a woman?!? Would you read it differently?
Honestly such self obsessed bollocks.

Kindest regards,
Paloma Smith
Tired/Of/Explaining/Reality/To/Fuckwits

@Carriemac

I'd put

"Obviously when you're talking to me you'll use my name. When you're talking about me, it's really not my business to police your language."

Yes, this is exactly what I would say

@Erikrie

Because they are entitled to be called whatever name they choose, likewise if they wish to announce their preferred pronouns they are equally entitled to do this.

Sure thing. As long as they don't expect others to do the same in order to validate them. I find it useful when people put their pronouns. Shows me who I need to avoid.

What Erikrie said x1,000.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=_NdE9CjkvTY&feature=youtu.be

This is where this ends.

As long as it's not compulsory at work I don't really have any strong feelings about other people doing it. I'm on the fence about whether it does normalise attitudes to non-conformity or entrench them.
I would prefer not to declare mine.
Where DH works they have addressed the pronouns alongside difficult to pronounce names/names without obvious gender association. This actually feels like quite a sensitive and appropriate way to address it. It allows the person to clarify personal information about themselves to allow for better communication and understanding.

Quite often it is used as a statement, they are comfortable with and support people who identify with gender based ideology different to their sex

We run our own business and eye roll whenever we see this in an email signature. I really don’t care what your pronouns are, unless I’m working with you on a regular basis.

Once we have this kind of “support” for people of colour, people with disability, different religions and all the other protected characteristics of the Equality Act, I’ll also join in with pronouns.

@MsFogi

Woke bollocks that will eventually eat itself.

God I hope so, today would be good.

I'd like to wind the clock back to when life was much simpler, when you were a boy or girl depending on the bits you were born with.

I was supportive of the few ADULTS that genuinely felt they were born in the wrong body getting whatever help & change they felt they needed.

But it's gone mental.

I'll say no more, but bloody hell, this HAS to stop.

Trans people have always existed, even when you were little and '' times were simpler '' though.
Do you think just because you weren't, or didn't know anyone that was, they weren't there or something?!

NHS here. They want us to have them on our name badges. It's a no from me, you can see what I am if I'm standing in front of you or by my female name.
Been told to change e mail signature too.