Women who use 'she/her' ??

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

I've noticed this in many social media profiles, but I also saw it used today in an email signature from someone in a professional agency I'm working with. Why do women (who are very clearly women from their Instagram pictures or their own names) use '(she/her)' in their bio / signature after their name? Am I missing something here? Isn't it obvious? What is the point of this? Just really seems stupid to me, but then perhaps I've completely missed something...? 🤷‍♀️

Example of the signature:

Isabelle Winter (she/her) • Senior Account Executive

I'm northern, so I've never actually met someone who does this. First time will be interesting.

It seems quite an efficient way of making clear that you are dealing with a dickhead- the modern equivalent of saying 'its more than my job's worth'

What about if I wanted to be referred to as my inititials? Let's say they were something like (D.J.) or (J.J). How is that different to non-binary they/them.

Complete and utter bollocks. It's creeping in more and more in my profession. I will not be taking part.

It’s a useful red flag.

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Wow, there's some incredibly intolerant people on this site. It doesn't make me any less of a woman if my trans colleague wants to be referred to as they/them and if me putting she/her in my email makes them more comfortable putting they/them, which in turn saves them upset in the future, then I'm all for it.

Eh?

It seems perfectly clear to me that PP is all for announcing her pronouns because it doesn't dewomanise her. What could be more logical than that?

@Insidelaurashead

Wow, there's some incredibly intolerant people on this site. It doesn't make me any less of a woman if my trans colleague wants to be referred to as they/them and if me putting she/her in my email makes them more comfortable putting they/them, which in turn saves them upset in the future, then I'm all for it.

You’ve got this backwards.

It doesn’t make your transwoman colleague or non-binary colleague any less of a male or female because they try and coerce you into using incorrect pronouns.

Exactly when would you be using pronouns for a person, in direct conversation or within an email? The answer is never. Hence why it’s coercion.

Some companies are insisting on it. Like the NHS

I don't understand any of this anyway. If I am called Kirsty, then people will write "Dear Kirsty, can you do x and y, from Colleague".

They don't call me she or her to my face.

And normally when I talk about colleagues I use their names. not he or she or they or x.

What I really don’t understand is why someone’s sex, gender (if they have one) or pronouns need to be known or what it has to do with their ability to do their job (which is the only thing anyone cares about in a work environment anyway). Sorry but I don’t give a shit if anyone is a man, woman or trans, if you can do your job that’s all and well but keep your pronouns to yourself ffs.

It's not compulsory in the NHS

@MistySkiesAfterRain

What about if I wanted to be referred to as my inititials? Let's say they were something like (D.J.) or (J.J). How is that different to non-binary they/them.

It’s not just about that individual. If an individual decides they want to tag that in the end of an email because it is actually how they wanted to be spoken to ( which is ridiculous as it’s on email) then that’s on them.

It starts getting ridiculous and actually bullying when some woke idiot in a senior position decides that EVERYONE should do so that one person doesn’t feel left out and wow now their company is so woke! And when you question why you have to do it - you suddenly turn in the transphobic bigot.

She might be doing it because she is woke.
She might be doing it but is actually cringing her arse off.

I won't be doing this, in the same way that I would never agree to add my religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, marital status etc to my emails.

I've heard the arguments why it's done and I think they are misguided, even though I know some people want to be supportive.

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

Either virtue signalling, or someone has told them they have to, and they can't afford to refuse and potentially lose their job.

This.

Woke bollocks - I thought it couldn’t be compulsory.

I won't be doing this. And anyone who does I assume they've lost their way. I work in a global corporate environment which is result focused and growth driven. Lots of great initiatives to support women and diversity but all in logical terms. If they insisted on she/her I'd suggest they call me whatever they thought I was and move on to more important things, like doing my job.

It's nonsense. What bearing do 'my pronouns' have on my ability to do my job? You don't use pronouns when you reply to someone via email. We don't announce any other characteristics in emails do we? So why this? I silently judge people who do this.

Also there is only certain information that employers are allowed to store without your permission, and gender identity isn't one of them, so I suspect any employers asking employees to do this shouldn't be: www.gov.uk/personal-data-my-employer-can-keep-about-me

Cringey.
Had an external trainer come to deliver do PHSE in ky school recently who did that. Seriously unimpressive.

It's the groupthink which is odd.

One minute everyone is talking about individuality and tolerance of people who happen to be different to ourselves or have different world views. The next, we're being told what we must think/say/do/announce and there's only one 'right way'.

It is no less than fundamentalist. If you don't do as you're told, you will be cancelled (or worse) by the woke mob.

People disagree on many things, but this is supposed to be a country where we have freedom of thought, speech and expression. We all hear things we don't like or agree with, unless we live in a self-limiting bubble of identical minds.

Look at you pretending not to know why OP. Strange you posted this on MN. It’s almost as if you knew the reaction this post would get.

I have a gender neutral name like Alex and I like the ambiguity, I feel it gives me an advantage in avoiding misogyny. There was a great twitter thread of two colleagues who swapped emails, and the female colleague had the most sales ever in a month (under a male name) whereas her male colleague finalised the least amount of sales he had (using her name). He reported that clientele were ruder, more difficult and less engaged when they though he was female.

I have a name that could be male or female but have never felt the need to put her/ she. If I was bothered I could put Ms / Mrs. Instead when I meet people for the first time we sometime have a laugh about how for a year they thought they were emailing a man. Bloody woke nonsense.

My daughter watches Glow Up and I noticed in the new series they've added pronouns every time a contestant comes on screen.

My company has a policy that employees include this on their email signatures. A policy that I have ignored.

A guy had his pronouns in brackets after his name in a zoom meeting today. Obviously, no one was going to call or refer to him by anything other than his name in the meeting. I can’t actually remember his name, only his pronouns (never met him before and neither of us were particularly involved in the meeting), so it wouldn’t help me much if I ever had to put a face to a name to a pronoun iyswim.

I interact with a lot of non native speakers in my job and pronoun use is incredibly hit and miss as it is. Don’t know if this is going to make it harder or easier 🤷🏻‍♀️