Protesters stop immigration van in Glasgow

[GreenChips]

So pleased to see how the community came together for their neighbours in my home city today.

Police release men from immigration van blocking Glasgow street www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57100259

Felt quite emotional watching the men being released from the van to all the cheers.

To do that today of all days in a Muslim community was just awful.

For those more savvy on this topic.. one of the men involved has confirmed their visa ran out in 2016. It’s implied he’s still been working as a mechanic since then.

Does this mean he has not been paying tax/NI or do taxes continue despite not having official residency? Or is it a grey area/case-by-case? Google searches haven’t helped me...

@UsedUpUsername the left often ends up being more racist than the right

@Yakkabee

For those more savvy on this topic.. one of the men involved has confirmed their visa ran out in 2016. It’s implied he’s still been working as a mechanic since then.

Does this mean he has not been paying tax/NI or do taxes continue despite not having official residency? Or is it a grey area/case-by-case? Google searches haven’t helped me...

I'm not sure on this, but I think PAYE just keeps going. Certainly I know of overstayers who believed that tax was deducted when they worked (obviously they couldn't work once they were detained or released on appeal, until their status was ratified). Two I know for certain weren't paid cash, and were paid into their bank accounts. It's not really a conversation I had with others.

@smersh84

this really annoyed me its rare enough the government actually seems to do get off its arse about immigration and of course when they actually do something this happens.

These dawn raids on homes happen every day. Likewise, pre covid, every day people are taken straight to detention centres in these bands from ports, airports and the offices where asylum seekers have to sign in every week. They might go to sign every week for months, and then one day they're just taken out at the back and put on a van.

I don't blame people for not being aware of this. I wasn't until I started this work. But for anyone to think this is new and rare couldn't be more wrong. This is just the first instance of a community standing against it in a practical way

In these vans, not bands

Where was the uproar for wee Kriss that got murdered on that street!! Fuck your community spirit

@smersh84

this really annoyed me its rare enough the government actually seems to do get off its arse about immigration and of course when they actually do something this happens.

From 2009 to 2019, the number of people entering detention has ranged from around 24,000 to 32,000 per Year.

Those vans don't sit around doing nothing all day. They take between 50 and 90 people into detention every day.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/immigration-detention-in-the-uk/

@Whoarethewho

What's the point of immigration control of they can't round up people who may have been here illegally?

I'm with you.

Remember a couple of years ago, some protesters stopped a deportation flight from taking off? 2 of those due to be deported were convicted, serial, sex offenders.

@TinyDicksAndGlitter its the people who stop them that annoy me more virtue signalling woke warriors who oppose their own country enforcing its laws.

I've read some woke bullshit on here but this takes the biscuit.

[quote smersh84]@TinyDicksAndGlitter its the people who stop them that annoy me more virtue signalling woke warriors who oppose their own country enforcing its laws.[/quote]
The point that you seem to have spectacularly missed is that these deportation measures do not follow due legal process. How did they halt the flight if the government weren't breaking the law? Do you think the judge was 'woke'?

The government break the law left, right and centre btw.

Remember a couple of years ago, some protesters stopped a deportation flight from taking off? 2 of those due to be deported were convicted, serial, sex offenders.

I do remember that. It was the first thing that entered my head when I read this thread. Good for all those people who refused to let the plane leave with those sex offenders onboard. Great job morons.

The thing is with the ‘woke bullshit’ is that all it does is create a surface of superficial acquiescence among most people until Election Day when they vote in a right wing government.

@flashbac

I think you missed that they were convicted sex attackers, recently released from prison. Therefore they had lost any right to remain they had had previously.

This is a conundrum for the woke isn't it? Can't get their heads around the fact that some immigrants may be serious criminals.

[quote TinyDicksAndGlitter]@flashbac

I think you missed that they were convicted sex attackers, recently released from prison. Therefore they had lost any right to remain they had had previously.

This is a conundrum for the woke isn't it? Can't get their heads around the fact that some immigrants may be serious criminals.[/quote]
What about the rest of the people on the plane? All criminals were they?

@KenAddams

Where was the uproar for wee Kriss that got murdered on that street!! Fuck your community spirit

There was if I remember correctly and also Mohammed Sarwar worked tirelessly to have the perpetrators extradited to face justice. Sadly the right wing politicians also hijacked it, the BNP leader rocking up to lay flowers etc

Eid is irrelevant - it's a normal day of the week. I agree with previous posters - mob rule is not the way to go

The thing is with the ‘woke bullshit’ is that all it does is create a surface of superficial acquiescence among most people until Election Day when they vote in a right wing government.

You are so, so right.

Mob rule can’t be the answer ...we have laws for a reason and a mob surrounding a van isn’t the way to resolve things. I was surprised when it said they had been here ten years but didn’t speak a word of English. If they are illegal as claimed then that needs to be addressed we can’t just allow illegal people to stay ‘cos their neighbours like them ...it doesn’t work like that ...

@ilovebrie8

Mob rule can’t be the answer ...we have laws for a reason and a mob surrounding a van isn’t the way to resolve things. I was surprised when it said they had been here ten years but didn’t speak a word of English. If they are illegal as claimed then that needs to be addressed we can’t just allow illegal people to stay ‘cos their neighbours like them ...it doesn’t work like that ...

They spoke some English in the interviews I've seen. And not being detained yesterday doesn't mean that they will have the right to stay in the country. But they will be able to complete their appeals from home. Whether they win the right to stay is down to the legal system. Being saved from detention yesterday will make no difference to that.

Also they are not illegal people.

Oh god yes. The famous woke lefty agenda of... expecting the government to follow its own laws and policies! Outrageous!

Luckily for those of you that seem to enjoy that sort of government, they’ve started on your civil liberties too, which I’m sure you’re thrilled about! Happy endings all round.

@saraclara the newspapers and the Home Office described them as illegal ...I’m just going by what’s in the press and on the tv ...I doubt they are sending immigration officers if there is absolutely nothing to clear up...I don’t agree with bundling people into vans likewise I don’t agree with mobs taking the law into their own hands

[quote ilovebrie8]@saraclara the newspapers and the Home Office described them as illegal ...I’m just going by what’s in the press and on the tv ...I doubt they are sending immigration officers if there is absolutely nothing to clear up...I don’t agree with bundling people into vans likewise I don’t agree with mobs taking the law into their own hands[/quote]
I said they are not illegal people. Nor are they 'illegals'.

They may be here illegally, but there is no such thing as an illegal person.

Hey ho it’s Semantics @saraclara. There is clearly an issue as they don’t send officers for no reason ....it’s as simple as that ...

@ilovebrie8

Hey ho it’s Semantics *@saraclara*. There is clearly an issue as they don’t send officers for no reason ....it’s as simple as that ...

Of all the people taken into immigration removal centres (which is what detention centres are now called) more than 70% (82% at the centre I'm involved with) are released.

The criteria for putting people in vans to the IRCs is supposed to be that they already meet the criteria to be removed from the country. Yet in the majority of cases it turns out they don't, the HO is wrong, and they are freed or bailed on appeal.

So there might be an issue about their right to be here, but their right to be detained (with no end date) is very much not cut and dried.

This protest by their neighbours was purely to stop them being detained. Due process will continue regarding their right to be here.