Protesters stop immigration van in Glasgow

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So pleased to see how the community came together for their neighbours in my home city today.

Police release men from immigration van blocking Glasgow street www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57100259

Felt quite emotional watching the men being released from the van to all the cheers.

To do that today of all days in a Muslim community was just awful.

@Flowers500

Christ some of you are useless human beings. If you can’t tell the difference between people getting drunk at football and a community seeking to save its residents you’re not only lacking heart, you’re lacking brains too

In relation to the spread of Covid, there is no difference. To quote an oft seen phrase on here “Covid doesn’t care” about the reasons for the gathering.

I for one have not assumed that the people who were lifted were recent arrivals nor that they had the Indian variant. However there IS a spike of cases of the Indian variant in this area. This has been on the news so not an assumption. If there is a spike caused by this which stops restrictions being eased I will be furious. Why should the rest of us not be able to enjoy an easing of restrictions due to the actions of these idiots?

I am kind of torn to be honest.
It’s great to see a community come together but if these men were due to be legally deported as decided by a judge or whoever then they should be.
Like when people stopped a plane taking off so people couldn’t be deported but some of the deportees were actual criminals who had no right to be here and could be dangerous
Protest is great but I’m not so sure about a mob preventing the Police from carrying out their duties

@Originalyellowbelly

Flowers500 while I am sympathetic to these persons, there case does not trump the safety and health of a whole community, city, country. Until this pandemic is over mass demonstrations should not, and are not allowed whether they are peaceful or not, or maybe you think the risk of major infection is ok in this case.

Agree

Watched a bit of video of this this morning and got a bit weepy. Glasgow you beautiful people.

I've also been horrified at the stories emerging of European nationals flying in to look for work (at least two stories yesterday..one was an Italian woman) and been thrown into prison and their phones taken away so they can't record it.

What have we become?

@Originalyellowbelly

Flowers500 while I am sympathetic to these persons, there case does not trump the safety and health of a whole community, city, country. Until this pandemic is over mass demonstrations should not, and are not allowed whether they are peaceful or not, or maybe you think the risk of major infection is ok in this case.

I totally agree.

@midsomermurderess

If people, by their own admission, don't know 'enough' about the facts, why comment. Implying that they are recent arrivals carrying the Indian variant of COVID, that they might be 'literal' rapists. Your contributions are vacuous.

What a misread. Please re-read and engage your powers of comprehension (and not what u think it said)

@Flowers500

Christ some of you are useless human beings. If you can’t tell the difference between people getting drunk at football and a community seeking to save its residents you’re not only lacking heart, you’re lacking brains too

Perhaps you are lacking a few yourself. If people are illegally living and working in the country, should they be immune to enforcement because their neighbours mob the vans of people doing their jobs? Should the religious festival of a different religion mean you are immune to being arrested when you have committed a crime?

What's the point of having any laws if a mob is able to stop their enforcement? These people are here illegally.

The religious festival thing is like saying we can’t deport Hindus at Christmas, irrelevant.
There might be other reasons why we shouldn’t deport these men but it being Eid isn’t one of them

and two Indian natinals? When did they arrive?

COVID xenophobia is somehow even more sickening than general xenophobia.

I think this was wonderful. I'm so impressed by the Glasgow public.

I think it’s lovely that some of you are able to be so naive about how the home office works and the frequent cruelty of the current regime. I however can’t believe some of you would happily see a neighbour who had lived peacefully for a decade pulled into an immigration detention centre for a paperwork issue. And then in many cases actually illegally deported by the home office, who purposefully doesn’t allow access to lawyers and tries to get the flight out before an appeal can be lodged. The home office is pulled up in this regularly and refuses to comply.

Outdoor dining is back, major outdoor events are opening shortly, the police didn’t break down the anti-lockdown protests. So if you think THIS is the big Covid issue then you’re blatantly just using this as a cover to your views on immigration. Which are legitimate, but which anybody would recognise as either naive or cruel.

By the way, for people online here slandering these men: you can hear from them directly. Type it in on YouTube.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLb2knXSDY

@Flowers500 but in your own words... “ Obviously it could be something much darker too”

Is there now further information available? Was it indeed a paperwork issue? Probably yes, but how could those crowds, the MPs endorsing it, and multiple news channels picking up the story know that? There would always be a chance these guys were true criminals surely. Why THIS particular instance? In Sturgeons back yard? Why are we so sure these particular men are victims. So sure as to risk a resurge in covid cases? So sure as to broadcast it everywhere on MSM? Why’s nobody asking these questions? Feel like I’m going mad.

I think it’s lovely that some of you are able to be so naive about how the home office works and the frequent cruelty of the current regime. I however can’t believe some of you would happily see a neighbour who had lived peacefully for a decade pulled into an immigration detention centre for a paperwork issue. And then in many cases actually illegally deported by the home office, who purposefully doesn’t allow access to lawyers and tries to get the flight out before an appeal can be lodged. The home office is pulled up in this regularly and refuses to comply.

You can't be so naive as to believe everyone who says it's just a paperwork issue it telling the truth? Or that doesn't mean "The issue is I don't have any paperwork as I am here illegally"?

Just because UKHO sometimes gets it wrong does not mean every case is a shocking miscarriage of justice.

When did they arrive? 10 years ago!! They have lived in Glasgow for 10 years. It is their home, they are one of us.

They were dragged out of their homes with no warning no representation, no time to pick up their belongings, to be taken to a detention centre and possibly face deportation. Why? On a suspected breech. Not even an actual breech. Can you imagine how that would feel? Even for a minute.

As a society I don't think it is right to stand by and allow people to be treated so inhumanely.

I'm Glasgow most people don't have to go far back in their families to find some immigrant blood.

Yes there is covid and of course no one knows if this will further add to the spike in that area, but it was outdoors, people all appeared to have masks on and sometimes things are just important. People's lives matter and sometimes I think we have to look a bit beyond the pandemic and care about other things too.

I'm glad I don't live in a place where people stand at their windows and watch people being dragged from their bed and sent to terrible conditions on a suspected error and just shrug cos of a virus.

I simply don’t agree OP. I’m furious that people are still being piled on and slated as selfish on here for minor infringements of rules when their own mental health has gone to shit but a mass gathering in an area with spiking infections is OK because it’s “important”.

According to news reports the HO have confirmed they were being detained on suspicion of “Immigration Offences”. If you research what this term covers, the list is 28 pages long. It covers a lot of paperwork issues, but it also includes offences relating to facilitating movement of illegal immigrants into the country. It also covers “trafficking for sexual exploitation”. Sex trafficking is known to be particular issue in this part of the city.

My question remains. How could those neighbours, the govmt and all those virtue signalling online know that these particular individuals were suspected of? This whole thing could have blown apart major investigation and everyone is celebrating it. What am I missing?

I would never pile on or call anyone selfish for doing what they think is best for their own mental health and well-being. I think sometimes it's ok to break the rules.

I think things like football fans being allowed to gather and wreck memorial benches and graffiti the city is disgusting and I think spokespeople for the club using yesterday as a justification of doing it again is outrageous and the club and supporters should face sanctions.

But I think not following the rules to the letter for mental health, person safety or human rights is very different.

What other laws would you see ignored OP?

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When did they arrive? 10 years ago!! They have lived in Glasgow for 10 years. It is their home, they are one of us.

So as long as you evade the immigration authorities long enough that your neighbours like you, working illegally and comitting multiple immigration offences, its ok then?

@roarfeckingroarr

What other laws would you see ignored OP?

I think you will find there are clauses within the corona laws to take into account mental health crises, personal safety etc.

Glasgow has been under the strictest lockdown in the whole of the UK but I won't apologise for thinking this was the right thing to do.

@BimBimBapp

When did they arrive? 10 years ago!! They have lived in Glasgow for 10 years. It is their home, they are one of us.

So as long as you evade the immigration authorities long enough that your neighbours like you, working illegally and comitting multiple immigration offences, its ok then?

Can you show me evidence that's what these men have been doing? Or is that just your assumption?

I think the pp are saying that if they were here legally on valid visa/work permit they wouldn't have been arrested/detained? I didn't read it as a comment on people breaking COVID law to protest

So 2 people have lived within a community for 10 years with no issues, have obviously integrated and made friends/are part of the community.

There has been a suspected breech somewhere, so really you think the best way to deal with that is to snatch people from their homes and drag them to an immigration centre as the first contact made?

Even the Scottish government agreed this was wrong.

I'm not some crazed vigilante but I think this was the right thing to do.

If it turns out I'm wrong and they are terrible people who deserved to be treated inhumanly, I'll come back and say so.