Does it make someone a LGBTQ ally if they wear the pride lanyard but object when a transgender person uses their restroom ?

[thecatmother]

In my workplace we are very open and inclusive and many colleagues chose to wear their IDs on the Pride lanyards and are very active participants in all the Pride related events.
So far so peaceful, or so I thought, we had a new colleague joining recently, it is a lady who is transitioning from being born a man. She is very polite and just gets on with her work and day. I wasn't surprised to see her using the Ladies, unfortunately a number of my colleagues have formed an opinion about that. The management has been supporting the new colleague, and they held "conversations " with the complaining parties.
However, those people are still wearing their Pride lanyards, I can't get my head around that. The lanyards are purely on volunteer basis, we have generic ones. I generally wonder whether they actually realise that being an ally is not about getting drunk on Pride , but actually to be supportive to the people of LGBTQ.

How many people on this thread have suffered a sexual offense from a transgender woman?
Instead of hypothising perhaps it's better to be realistic and honest

You are rude and disrespectful. Many women have been assaulted by men on here, and some women have been assaulted by transwomen. It's clear you have your own agenda and I wish I hadn't bothered with your posting, which is not in good faith. Male pattern violence does not change, one tiny bit, just because someone declares their gender to be female. Maybe take your own advice and be realistic and honest, if of course you are able to do that.
I'm out.

I read and then researched, and I have made up my mind on the matter.

What did you read by way of research that convinced you? If it was that convincing, maybe we all need to read it.

How many people on this thread have suffered a sexual offense from a transgender woman?

Do they need to be on this thread to count?

Saturday 16 Mar 2019
A transgender woman threatened to stab a 10-year-old girl’s mother during a terrifying sexual assault in the female toilets of a Morrison’s supermarket. Katie Dolatowski, 18, admitted grabbing the youngster by her face and forcing her into the cubicle before demanding she take her trousers off at the store in Fife, Scotland, on 4 March. She carried out a similar attack just weeks earlier, on 8 February, when another young girl using the toilet at an Asda store in Halbeath spotted Dolatowski using a mobile phone to spy on her over the partition wall.

Read more: metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/

An employee at a Women's Prison in Washington reports a woman was immediately raped upon the transfer of a male convicted sex offender, who identifies as transgender, and women are terrified as 150 other men are in line to be transferred.

mynorthwest.com/2666243/doc-washington-correctional-center-women-men-transfer/amp/

I forgot to mention, you're also a bloody racist. Revolting.

All are white and Christian

Not something to be proud of. How about ditch the lanyards and work on your equalities hiring.

@thecatmother I think you need to read the current legislation about protected characteristics and harassment.

It is an offense to harass or victimize someone, to violate their dignity, or to creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment based on their protected characteristic, and that includes making women's toilet mixed sex, or trying to shame women for wanting women only toilets.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26

It is also an offense to cause someone to contravene The Equality Act.
Instructing, causing or inducing contraventions;
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/111

Women menstruate and men don't. Women miscarry and men don't. Women breastfeed and men don't. That is not hate speech,
Women are legally entitled to single sex spaces to manage their biological functions with privacy and dignity.

I don't know the details about violence one however, it do feel that when I, a female use the loo and when my daughters use the loo I want them to know that only other females are there. Loos don't always have perfect doors, the are private places and I feel as such I only want females in the loos I use.

Well, I suppose the workplace's make-up makes sense in context of other posts.

I was wondering why the OP was assuming we'd never met anyone transitioning before. It did seem like a very insular workplace. (First time I got to know someone who was trans was when I was 17, which is nearly 20 years ago now!)

I can't believe you just said that there's no religious or racial minorities at your work so there's no problem.

Talk about erasing people.
Do you have a no blacks, Jews or Irish sign up to ensure transwomen are comfortable?

Un fucking believable.

Not only racist Erikrie misogynistic with an appalling attitude to mental health and sexual abuse. Disgraceful.

I don't have a problem with transwomen using toilets but I am gender critical and I'm highly concerned about children being affirmed as trans before they've grown up to discover their sexuality. I'm also bisexual. Am I allowed to wear a rainbow lanyard?

@Helleofabore

I read and then researched, and I have made up my mind on the matter.

What did you read by way of research that convinced you? If it was that convincing, maybe we all need to read it.

The impressive thing is that the thread was only started yesterday evening

Thats a lot of reading and researching to do while working (in what appears to be a very white and Christian organisation)

Some women on here have been researching this stuff for years

Not only racist Erikrie misogynistic with an appalling attitude to mental health and sexual abuse. Disgraceful.

Yes. 😡

How many people on this thread have suffered a sexual offense from a transgender woman?

So a person born male? I would imagine a lot. I don’t know any women that haven’t suffered some sort of unwanted sexual advance from a man.

I feel that every human in my vicinity deserves to be treated with respect.

I’m sure everyone agrees with that. Obviously if your definition of ‘everyone’ really does include ‘everyone’, then women deserve respect too. It doesn’t seem very respectful to me to make women feel unsafe my placing men in their safe spaces.

How many people on this thread have suffered a sexual offense from a transgender woman?

Now we really need to see this research that you read. Have you actually read the sex crime statistics for the UK? 98% of sex crimes are committed by males however they identify.

In fact, there is no statistics that state males who have transitioned have a reduced propensity to commit male pattern crime. And the statistics for transwomen serving time for second offenses is proportionately high.

These are indisputable facts. Transwomen do not commit sex offences at the rate of females . At all.

But please, show us the research that convinced you that they do since you brought up sex offences and transwomen. (And yes, there are posters on this board who have experienced abuse at the hands of transwomen and have told us their stories in the past). Why would anyone tell you? You have just denounced anyone disagreeing with you as just like racists.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer

Yes, rather suspect really.

@bitheby

I don't have a problem with transwomen using toilets but I am gender critical and I'm highly concerned about children being affirmed as trans before they've grown up to discover their sexuality. I'm also bisexual. Am I allowed to wear a rainbow lanyard?

No, only true believers are permitted to wear the rainbow lanyard. You have sinned in your thoughts and turned from the true path.

Hilarious! I guess OP will be hoping their org remains white and Christian then so they can continue avoiding very basic questions.

Makes me think of what the people would have been saying about BAME people in 50s/60s/70s and before.

They'd probably be saying 'luckily our organisation is white and Christian and better stay that way!' Oh wait, that's you OP.

Or perhaps you'd be trying to convince Black women that they should identify as white so they wouldn't have any issues? After all, if you can't see race, you can't see racism.

'Don't be disappointed that I don't share your views, it is a free country, and a lively but unexpected debate. I simply asked a question that was relevant to me, I read and then researched, and I have made up my mind on the matter. That's all there is to it.'

Why was it unexpected, out of interest?

What did you decide?

Jumpy sharky.

@Welcome2hateHolland

I can't believe you just said that there's no religious or racial minorities at your work so there's no problem.

Talk about erasing people.
Do you have a no blacks, Jews or Irish sign up to ensure transwomen are comfortable?

Un fucking believable.

The sign must also say - Don't apply to work here if you have been sexually abused because people who have been sexually abused have mental health problems and we don't employ people like you.

Un fucking believable is right.

@FelicityBeedle

Pride flag is LGBT, if you wear it and don’t support the T you’re an awful hypocrite in my opinion and I won’t think much of you

There’s quite a few gay people who I’m sure would be viewed by the trans community as not “supporting “ the T. All those pesky lesbians who refuse to suck lady dick for one!

'How many people on this thread have suffered a sexual offense from a transgender woman?
Instead of hypothising perhaps it's better to be realistic and honest?'

Hold on just a sec.

Your identity is how you feel. I can't see into other people's heads. How would I have any idea of anyone's gender ID whether they assault me or not.

Similarly. According to stonewall definitions I am trans. I have experienced a raft of shit in my life from people I assumed were male (but who can say as you can't see inside someone's head).

So actually all the incidents from men (?) should be seen as crimes against a trans person? And by people who I could not say what gender they were (their sex is irrelevant).

It could have been a lot of trans on trans crime? I mean who can say. I didn't ask them their gender id at the time and they didn't ask mine. An oversight?

Those 29 people with male names arrested for sexual abusing one girl over a7 year period.

Who knows that their internal gender id is. Has anyone asked? Or the girl? The BBC has decided to use sex based meanings of man and girl here I assume. Or maybe I'm wrong.

It could be 29 women who did that. If only they'd asked.

The child could be any identity. Or sex.

But could those 29 people be women?

I think I'm so angry today due to reading that. Fucking hell.

And if that girl does put it behind her, get qualifications etc. And applies for a job at ops work. All good! She will be declined a job due to the fact that she had suffered grotesquely at the hands of men for YEARS and their mental health checking is apparently so intrusive. That even if she gets through all the interviews and into the more expensive vetting. They will REFUSE her a job because as a child she was violated by a very large group of men for years and therefore her mental health is automatically poor and employment is denied.

That's how it works right OP?

I feel that every human in my vicinity deserves to be treated with respect.

But you’re not treating those “complaining” women with respect.