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Grandson strong will and determination he's 1and a half

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SickofCovid · 27/04/2021 20:03

OK, my daughter just called me sobbing. It took her 1hr and 30 mins to get her little boy back to her car after been in the playground. He lost the plot, screaming crying. Throwing himself down like a tantrum. This is a constant battle with him. Literally wants to do his own thing. Doesn't want to get into car seat, doesn't want Mum or Dad to put on his shoes. Doesn't want them help feed him. Regardless what they do, he just wants his own way all the time. My poor daughter actually believes her son hates her with his actions. He wouldn't be as bad for his dad. Has anyone any words of comfort, advice on how to deal with him, any opinions would be so helpful.

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DelurkingAJ · 27/04/2021 23:29

Your poor DD! DS1 had his most epic tantrum at nearly 3, in town when I was 7 months pregnant. An elderly lady and her husband stopped to hold the shopping trolley still so I could fold him into it. They were so nice that it made an awful morning ok (shopping for food for lunch was sadly not optional that day). All I ever think with that kind of scene is ‘I remember that’ and ‘does it look like I could help?’. DS1 is pretty well behaved and chilled now, 5 years later.

user1471474462 · 27/04/2021 23:46

I would suggest reading “The Book You Wish Your Parents Had Read: (And Your Children Will Be Glad That You Did) by Philippa Perry”.

He’s just upset, and doesn’t understand why his fun has to end. Manhandling children, whilst sometimes necessary should be a last resort.

Something along the lines of “I know your sad/angry because you want to play, but I’m tired so we need to go home”. Likely he will then tantrum, then she could offer him a hug. It might not work immediately, he is very young.

My little one is nearly two and even if I’m the one who says no/ends the game they still come to me for a hug to help them deal with the “big feelings” (after rolling around on the floor and throwing things).

It sounds over the top but the psychology is sound, it works.

BlackeyedSusan · 28/04/2021 00:06

getting them in a car seat once they have gone rigid:

left hand firmly over hips/pelvis
right hand prepare straps for connection.
while left hand is still firmly over hips, use left hand fingers to tickle.
when child collapses in middle, keep held down with left hand and fasten straps with right hand. (last resort)

often, a knee placed between their legs (not on bits, of course, just like the lump of plastic they put on some highchairs) stops them sliding out the pushchair/carseat before straps are done. (again last resort when absolutely need to leave somewhere)

reins harness over the top of straps. special harness for car seat.

defusing a situation where you are both getting stressed: blow raspberries on them, or tickle them. makes both of you laugh and eases tension.

give the kid a choice. do you want to climb in the car seat or do you want me to put you in the car seat?

do you want mummy or dady to put your shoes on?
do you want the blue shoes or the wellies?

give them warning that you are going to do something else. choose a last go on something.

feed them before you leave. get that blood sugar back up and they become a bit more human again.

hugs. rock in one direction, both calming, especially after the park where they have been rushing round and moving in lots of directions.

develop rhino hide. standing contemplating shop shelves completely ignoring the hissing screaming biting child under an arm as if they are not there/ or walking out with such a child under an arm, or when older held across the body.

if you suspect autism, just quiet hugging, and rocking helps with no talking. They can not hear and are only working on feelings and emotions at that point anyway so words are lost.

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stuckinarut86 · 28/04/2021 00:11

Definitely agree you should pick your battles. My dd now 3 was pretty much the same at that age and going through her 2s but seems a lot better now but I can't say if that's just her or the way we choose to manage it. Pick your battles because it's so stressful and makes you feel like a failure when you are constantly going on over one thing to the next. Techniques we use is telling her what's next which is exciting for her, like we are leaving the park to go home so you can watch tv and I can make tea. We sometimes use bribes though not for bad behaviour like the long car journey she doesn't understand we say time to get in the car for x and you can have a snack. Allowing her to help where she can makes her feel proud. When all fails we use punishments like going without tv and around 18 months we started telling her to sit on the stairs if she needs to calm down. And on the occasion when all fails and the temper tantrum rolls you walk away or stand back and let them get on with it, they will either calm down, look for you because they suddenly decide they feel abandoned or have competed what they were trying on their own. I hope it gets better for your daughter these times are hard and soul destroying at times.

PickAChew · 28/04/2021 00:15

Both of my boys are autistic and have done the lie down refusal to excess. As long as I was physically able to throw them over my shoulder and crack in with my day, I threw them over my shoulder and cracked on with my day.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 28/04/2021 00:16

@CadburyCake

He’s eighteen months? Unless she has a physical disability why on earth didn’t she just pick him up, stick him under her arm and put him in the car? Sounds like an entirely typical, probably tired, toddler to me.
This!!

She's bigger than him, she needs to take control. It's a really slippery slope if you let them overpower your from a young age. The problem won't fix itself. Your DD and SIL need to pull their socks up and start being clear and not be afraid of their child

PickAChew · 28/04/2021 00:17

@blackeyeddusan' s post is excellent

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 28/04/2021 00:17

@alabaster11

Doesn't want to leave the playground or get in the car seat? Chocolate treat/bribe

Doesn't want help feeding him? Then don't, let him feed himself.

Pick your battles! And always have snacks/treats when out and about.

Mum sounds a little wet here. She's the adult and it shouldn't take 1.5hrs to get 18m old in to the car.

Sorry but bribery by food is terrible advice
PickAChew · 28/04/2021 00:18

Despite my own physical difficulties, 6 Wass the age I couldn't do it any more, BTW.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 28/04/2021 00:20

@user1493494961

I remember those days well, especially when they go rigid when you're trying to do up the straps.
Tickle their tummies, they push their backs into the seat, swift ninja clipping-in, then done.

Also not every protestation at that age has to be responded to. Answering your child often feeds into their tantrum and it's ok to ignore them or simply say "not now". I often found that mine just needed to run out of steam!

I0NA · 28/04/2021 00:27

Sorry but bribery by food is terrible advice

Oh dear I did that for years. What else can you bribe them with ?

IHaveBrilloHair · 28/04/2021 00:34

@Bigchicken
You're exactly right, it is cruel, but who wants their small child to be with another one who has an ineffectual parent who will faff for an hour and a half rather than puck them up?
That's why you have to do something, otherwise you are just allowing your child to be unhappy.
Surf board kidsGrin

I0NA · 28/04/2021 00:34

Drugs ? Alcohol ?

PickAChew · 28/04/2021 00:53

@I0NA

Drugs ? Alcohol ?
Bloody toddlers, these daysHmm
Susannahmoody · 28/04/2021 01:25

I remember having DS in a kind of strangle hold in order to get him the the car/leave the park/(don't worry he was never injured)

Tried the same with DD but she just used to manage to scratch me and bite me.

Oh the joys of toddler hood

IHaveBrilloHair · 28/04/2021 01:30

Never going back there again.
If I get Grandkids they'll be getting the buttons!

IHaveBrilloHair · 28/04/2021 01:35

A wee line of them like Hansel and Gretel, but with chocolate buttons so they follow me.

PolarnOPirate · 28/04/2021 05:54

Meh, just trying to help op. Clearly touched a nerve. I would advise your daughter to Google internal/external locus of control, reframing, leading by example - remaining calm during disappointments and stress, naming and addressing negative emotions positively. Aha Parenting, The Danish Way Of Parenting, the Book You Wish Your Parents Had Read. It will really set her up for parenting. You did ask!

InsanelyPregnantAndSore · 28/04/2021 06:06

I have a wilful nearly 14 month old DS, who is big for his age (tall) and incredibly strong. But he’s still a toddler and 100% gets picked up and carried to the car/strapped in kicking, screaming and slapping his tiny heart out!

Toddlers are toddlers, try to explain and be soft where appropriate but if you’re waiting for them to be rational understanding little people who trot themselves into their own car seats because you made a good point about having to leave the park.... you’re gonna be waiting in that car park a good few years.

Your DD needs to toughen up I’m afraid!

Jent13c · 28/04/2021 07:11

My nephew is like this. His elder sister was an absolute angel toddler so his parents were not prepared. They had a meeting with the head of the nursery before 2 to discuss whether they could keep him there when he kept hitting other children. He has become much better naturally with his communication improving.

They definitely picked their battles with him and I don't think its done him any good, he's now a pleasant little boy but will hit when he doesn't get his own way, my MIL doesn't give him lunch so that he's starving at tea time because that's the only way he would actually eat a meal and not just scream for chocolate. I remember my SIL having a meltdown over changing his nappy because he wouldn't sit still. Of course he's not going to sit still! I always give one chance to sit still and then pin down and get the job done. He needs his nappy changed so its an absolute non negotiable.

saxamaphone · 28/04/2021 07:17

Honestly OP?

Bribes Grin
A little snack before getting in the seat or buggy etc. Get dressed with cartoons on the tv.
Anything for an easy life!! This stage doesn't last too long

CorpusCallosum · 28/04/2021 10:03

My DD was just like this at that age and speech delay did not help.

If your DD is like me it helps to have a strategy. I got into hand in hand parenting and that along with DD continuing to develop over the last 9 months has made the world of difference.

One of the tools is setting & sticking to boundaries (ie. it's time to leave the park) but still loving your child through their tantrums so they don't feel the sense of exclusion/powerlessness that 'time out' approaches result in and which fuel poor behaviour. DD is so much more mature about dealing with her emotions now and daily life is 100x easier.

www.handinhandparenting.org/

I also enjoy Janet Lansbury's podcast Unruffled

Thatisnotwhatisaid · 28/04/2021 10:11

He honestly sounds like a typical toddler to me. Tell her to get used to it basically, she’s in for at least another 18 months of this but probably closer to 3 years! My DC were like this until at least 4 when they started school. Never constant but definitely when they wanted their own way with something, it’s normal.

PandaLady · 28/04/2021 10:58

Accepting tantrums as a natural part of development is really important. A whole raft of neglected and abused children miss out on the opportunity to test boundaries. They grow up confused and scared.

Having a secure parent who is assertive and confident enough to tuck you under their arm, clip you safely in the car seat and still talk to you calmly and kindly is as essential as food and water.

Just tell your DD that he son doesn't hate her and allowing herself that thought is really just making it all about her.

PandaLady · 28/04/2021 11:03

One of my dc threw an almighty radgy in Tesco's while we were with his oldest brother.

We were laughing because dc3 was being outrageous and making the loudest noise we'd ever heard. The till supervisor opened up a till for us (to get us and screaming toddler out ASAP) and in an inspired moment, she asked ds if he wanted the receipt.

Without missing a beat he got up off the floor, reached up for the receipt, said thank you and that was that.

It was hilarious!