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ADs drinking al fresco at The Sleeping Swans

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BogRollBOGOF · 09/04/2021 17:17

ADs, grab your thermals, long johns and winter woolies, we're finally off to drown our sorrows at the Sleeping Swan!

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ISaySteadyOn · 16/05/2021 17:14

@BogRollBOGOF, I don't think you over share at all. In fact, knowing more about your DC has been reassuring as I have not felt so alone in struggles with mine. It's been really valuable so share all you like.

Also, I don't think you're appropriating anything with the sunflower lanyard. I think you're fine. I was too scared to go anywhere last summer and I had one already. Not afraid of catching a virus but of being attacked or shouted at for masklessness. I am not letting that happen this summer though.

WouldBeGood · 16/05/2021 17:22

Maybe I’ll get a lanyard too though I’ll soon be double vaccinated and even the CDC says no masks necessary then.

NannyGythaOgg · 16/05/2021 18:05

I've just done an antibody test as part of the UK biobank research and it has come up positive.

I've had 2 jabs (Jansson on a trial, Jan and March this year) and no reason to think I have had Covid itself.

Worldgonecrazy · 16/05/2021 19:46

If masks cause ‘severe distress’ than I think it perfectly acceptable to conopt the sunflower lanyard scheme, firstly it avoids aggro, and secondly it reduces the stress of everyone. I think some conflate it with stealing a disabled space or using the disabled loo and it’s quite different.

ISaySteadyOn · 16/05/2021 20:32

It really is.

110APiccadilly · 17/05/2021 07:33

If any business asks me about my vaccine status, I think I'll ask to see a copy of their data handling policy in order to make sure that they will be managing my private medical (therefore sensitive) data in compliance with GDPR.

I'm not against the vaccine per se, but I'm not happy to take it while breastfeeding. It's happy for me that I wasn't as it turns out, or I, an early thirties female, would have been given mine just before they changed their minds about the age groups for AZ.

110APiccadilly · 17/05/2021 07:38

On masks, it's starting to be an issue when I go shopping and take DD with me. She doesn't interact with me when I'm wearing a mask, and I'm increasingly not happy about it. It was one thing when she was 2 months and falling asleep in her sling while shopping. It's quite another now she's nearly 6 months and looking at everything with immense interest. (DH is busy trying to teach her to pull the masks off our faces, but I'm not sure that's a sustainable solution.)

ISaySteadyOn · 17/05/2021 07:44

I wish I had useful advice for you there. I can understand your DD. If you feel you really have to wear it (roll on June unless it is different in Wales), maybe you could play peek a boo with it so she knows it's still you and you might get some baby giggles Smile

We are going to need a new thread soon. Any title ideas?

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BogRollBOGOF · 17/05/2021 07:48

@ISaySteadyOn

I wish I had useful advice for you there. I can understand your DD. If you feel you really have to wear it (roll on June unless it is different in Wales), maybe you could play peek a boo with it so she knows it's still you and you might get some baby giggles Smile

We are going to need a new thread soon. Any title ideas?

ADs shelter from the cold and rain in The Speeping Swans Grin
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BogRollBOGOF · 17/05/2021 07:49

Or ADs have a government approved hug!

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Pleasenomoreglitter · 17/05/2021 07:56

@110APiccadilly

On masks, it's starting to be an issue when I go shopping and take DD with me. She doesn't interact with me when I'm wearing a mask, and I'm increasingly not happy about it. It was one thing when she was 2 months and falling asleep in her sling while shopping. It's quite another now she's nearly 6 months and looking at everything with immense interest. (DH is busy trying to teach her to pull the masks off our faces, but I'm not sure that's a sustainable solution.)
As someone who's worked in early years education, this is an aspect that's bothered me since they were made a requirement. We were always taught the importance of babies and toddlers facing their adults, as seeing their face was so important for communication. Already we're being told that larger than normal numbers of children who started school in September are behind on their speech and language and needing referral. What will the next cohort be like, who've had limited interactions at an even more crucial stage of development? That and their social and emotional development worry me far more than any more academic delays.
Worldgonecrazy · 17/05/2021 10:10

Happening in Australia, soon to be happening here:

www.smh.com.au/healthcare/people-are-dying-in-ambulances-health-ministers-say-nation-gripped-by-health-crisis-call-for-ndis-fix-20210514-p57rx7.html

Otherwise known as Normal NHS operating in England.

But at least they’re not dying of COVID.

Absolutely heart breaking and totally foreseeable but no one wanted to listen.

TabbyStar · 17/05/2021 13:07

As someone who's worked in early years education, this is an aspect that's bothered me since they were made a requirement. We were always taught the importance of babies and toddlers facing their adults, as seeing their face was so important for communication

Not wanting to sound too pessimistic but what worries me is the very early years kids who are isolated with parents with poor emotional regulation, either from before the pandemic or because of, who have not had a chance to learn it from other people as they might normally and to build the neural pathways that will serve them for the rest of their lives. I was in this position a bit with DD - in a very difficult relationship with her dad and my emotional regulation wasn't good - and we've struggled to overcome it with her, she's still very anxious. In 10+ years time we'll end up with more emotionally dysregulated teens. Perhaps by then schools will be better able to recognise and cope with trauma.

flower11 · 17/05/2021 13:52

Absolutely. It makes me so angry how children have been thrown under the bus. And all these people saying it's only a small part of their lives and they will get over it or they just need resilience.

No they fucking don't.
Resilience needs to be shown, learnt, grown and nurtured.

Mine and dd mental health has taken such a battering through all this. She is now getting help at school. The emotional wellbeing lead said she is so busy with new referrals. She is doing an amazing job. I hope every school has one if not two like her, because they are damn well going to be needed now and in the future.

My fear is there is not the funding and so many children will be massively failed.

justasking111 · 17/05/2021 14:26

@Worldgonecrazy

Happening in Australia, soon to be happening here:

www.smh.com.au/healthcare/people-are-dying-in-ambulances-health-ministers-say-nation-gripped-by-health-crisis-call-for-ndis-fix-20210514-p57rx7.html

Otherwise known as Normal NHS operating in England.

But at least they’re not dying of COVID.

Absolutely heart breaking and totally foreseeable but no one wanted to listen.

Australia has had 29k cases ant 910 deaths, covid is not the problem, bed blocking and elderly care is.
LivinLaVidaLoki · 17/05/2021 14:31

@TabbyStar and @flower11
I work in children's social care (predominantly 16 to 18 year olds in supported accommodation and 10-16 in residential with emotional,mental health and Behavioural issues) and can absolutely agree regarding children being thrown under the bus.
Whenever I see anyone refer to children as snowflakes or how they need to be more resilient, I just want to scream. Come and spend a day with me at work. Listen to these kids and see how they live and how they are coping and tell me what they can be doing "better".
It's OK for them to say their kids are thriving or getting through it, but their children don't have a history of neglect and/or abuse and transience and instability throughout their life in care. Their children are generally in no way comparable to a 16.5/17 year old living alone in supported accommodation with their only support being the professionals in their life. So they can fuck off.

I'm so sick of our children being seen as collateral damage.

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BogRollBOGOF · 17/05/2021 16:11

I should imagine that children with SNs like DS1 are going to have a tougher time due to the reduced social stimulation at a younger age and overworked professionals being more likely to brush off parental concerns in the face of reduced expectations. We've been lucky to be in good circumstances, recognise what we're looking at and be taken seriously to get to this stage. Support for SNs and children in need of emotional and mental support was already very thinly stretched.

For the children who are "thriving", much of the time those options were open already. There was no compulsion to be on the extra-curricular rat race, and those who have benefited from employment changes are more likely to have had options avaliable. Families that lurch from one PT job to another to survive won't be benefiting.

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ISaySteadyOn · 17/05/2021 16:33

Indeed. Well said everyone Smile.

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