I just bought these but they piss me off.

[frogswimming]

They are to go over my dd nappy for under skirts. But the name really pisses me off. Why can't they be called 'under skirt shorts'? There's no need to be judging two year olds on their levels of modesty.

Was just going to say they were known as Gym knickers in my day 😂

They piss you off because when a child is wearing diapers and needs a coordinated bottom for dresses you get “frilly bottoms”, AKA frilly bloomers. Generally children’s skirts and dresses size two and under come with diaper covers.

I have this with swim suits. I like a type of swim dress with a v short skirt that just covers the scars at the v top of my thigh. I will absolutely not buy them if they are called modesty swimwear. Men's swimming trunks aren't called modesty swim shorts.

@Twinkie01

How many pieces of material do girls need between their vulvas and the outside world to feel comfortable these days?

I get it. For one thing, knickers can shift fairly easily and you don't want labia to end up on show while you're cartwheeling.

Not sure why you'd feel the need to hide a toddler's nappy though, tbh.

I reflected on this for a moment or two.

Little girls (at least, me when I was a little girl) don't like a lot of fuss over their bits. One layer (knickers) or two (knickers and trousers/shorts whatever) are plenty.

So, the ultimate problem is the expectation that little girls will wear skirts. Why should they have to? Let them wear trousers, shorts, dungarees, things that they can happily play in without having to worry about what's on show. My dd is pushing forty, but when she was small we could get great shirt and trousers sets from M&S (basically, shalwar kameez in style). She had freedom of movement, was covered and they had lovely designs. Lets stop worrying little ones with skirts. Designate skirts as fashion items to be worn by teens and up.

When I bought them for my dds they were called dance shorts, I think at debenhams. Seems reasonable. Or they could be called sports shorts or active wear shorts. I agree about modesty. Wrong message.

And yes maybe they should have just had shorts but these were perfect under the school gingham dresses, and there weren’t any shorts in the uniform or at least any flowing and cool ones, iirc.

Shorts or knickers, but what does it matter what they are called. It's not as though there is a visible sign on the bum area of the pants, saying Modesty Shorts.

Big girl pants?

Overpants is a good name.

Why are you putting pants over a nappy? How old is the child?

Whats wrong with under shorts?

the Modesty trend

My girls wore shorts to school so they could cartwheel and not flash.

How would we feel if the boys took of their trousers and ran about the playground?

We expect boys to cover their underwear so should the girls.

I like undershorts better for a name, but even then skirts get in the way!!

I remember similar garments for toddlers and up from when I was young (back when the earth was cooling) as being called 'dance shorts'. They were marketed as a garment to be worn under a mini-skirt or cheer/dance costume to hide your 'real' underwear. Similar garments for babies/toddlers were simply called 'diaper covers' and the 'plain' ones weren't marketed at either sex, although there were 'frilly' ones for girls.

I agree that 'modesty' is not the right term to use. They could call them 'activity shorts', 'sport shorts', or something that doesn't imply a judgement of some kind.

'Compensating for girls having less practical clothes for moving around in pants'?

Why do people have to find an issue with something that isn't an issue? They go up to an age where a girl's modesty needs protecting and they just happen to come in age 2.

Why does a child small enough to wear a nappy need it covering?

I really don’t understand how you can have an issue with the name of this product Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.

It’s people whinging about this sort of ridiculousness that sets feminism back and means it gets taken less seriously.

On the one hand you don’t want to judge a two year old on modesty (which I agree with) and on the other you are putting extra layers on her, over a nappy, because......? Why is it an issue for someone to catch a glimpse of nappy, if not modesty?

World would be an awful lot simpler if people just forgot dresses and put small girls in trousers/shorts until they were old enough not to need modesty anything.

Why do you need to cover the nappy? I wouldn't.

Yabu

@Hailtomyteeth

I reflected on this for a moment or two.

Little girls (at least, me when I was a little girl) don't like a lot of fuss over their bits. One layer (knickers) or two (knickers and trousers/shorts whatever) are plenty.

So, the ultimate problem is the expectation that little girls will wear skirts. Why should they have to? Let them wear trousers, shorts, dungarees, things that they can happily play in without having to worry about what's on show. My dd is pushing forty, but when she was small we could get great shirt and trousers sets from M&S (basically, shalwar kameez in style). She had freedom of movement, was covered and they had lovely designs. Lets stop worrying little ones with skirts. Designate skirts as fashion items to be worn by teens and up.

Yes! I agree. As an adult I don’t wear a skirt if I am intending to be physically active. Why should a child, who is physically active most days, wear a skirt? I was dressed mostly in trousers and dungarees as a kid in the seventies.

(Obvs school uniform may dictate but even that is on the way out with lots of schools allowing trousers for girls now).

@Twinkie01

How many pieces of material do girls need between their vulvas and the outside world to feel comfortable these days?

I suppose it depends what you are wearing. If I'm wearing trousers I also wear knickers so 2. If I'm wearing a skirt and no tights it's one, if with tights then 2. So one or two generally but that might just be me.

It's the word 'modesty' I don't like. Girls climbing trees shouldn't have to think about being modest.

I agree 100%.