ADs teach twisted lyrics to their pet tortoise

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Crawling back to normality slightly slower than a tortoise taking the scenic route...

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4173705-ADs-picnic-in-the-park-with-Twinkle-the-Tortoise

Wow. The difference between healthy and unhealthy for those who have died within 28 days of testing positive for COVID. (I refuse to say died of/with COVID)

twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1376603953178230787

The figures speak for themselves. Yet we still have people cowering convinced that they face certain death by hugging another person.

I am so angry because, yes people are that stupid, but it’s the government and the media who have taken advantage of that stupidity to scare people.

Bloody hell, @Worldgonecrazy.

The world really is crazy. And stupid

www.huntsabs.org.uk/hsa-exclusive-fox-hunters-own-footage-catches-them-breaking-lockdown/

@TabbyStar

It's fascinating though how different people are responding, most of my friends are ADs, and all the teens I know are meeting up, not in as big groups as normal, but smaller groups, so it's a surprise to come across anyone else who's massively risk averse. My DB isn't usually that bothered about following rules. Though I do wonder whether he is just using it as an excuse not to have to do stuff.

Yes I thought the stuff in that article about past Boris Vs current Boris was interesting, who would have thought I'd be more of a fan of past Boris!

Lucky you! Well jel!

I think your brother is just using it as an excuse.

[quote AcornAutumn]Bog re June, did your friends say they were scared? I have few friends but they are all part of a social whirl so I think we relieved to ditch extra social stuff.

Trade press reporting T&T even for outdoors

Not a surprise to most of us but if true, there will be strange MN folk shocked

www.thecaterer.com/news/track-trace-return-third-lockdown-reopening[/quote]
The keeping at least 5m away and not letting their child actually mix with my two was a bit of a give away when we met at a park. I came away from that one wishing that I hadn't bothered!
It was definitely anti-social distancing.

Over the winter, they have regretted not doing low-risk things like sitting in beer gardens in the summer whike they could. They really bought into the being good rhetoric, and didn't look ahead to the actual second wave coming over the winter like seasonal illnesses do.

Bog oh I see.

With the people I'm thinking of - two friends who were a big part of my life - one won't go in her garden if the neighbour is in theirs, or that was the case last August.

The other said to me very pointedly "I am only mixing with very local people" and I think that means by walking or by car. She would normally come to mine by car but I think she is unhappy to see me because I use public transport...or just a good chance to get rid of me.

I do think she was struggling with me pre Covid. Suggested numerous evening classes we could attend, all too pricey for me. Lots of compromise when we went out because she has a lot more to spend.

@Worldgonecrazy

Wow. The difference between healthy and unhealthy for those who have died within 28 days of testing positive for COVID. (I refuse to say died of/with COVID)

twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1376603953178230787

The figures speak for themselves. Yet we still have people cowering convinced that they face certain death by hugging another person.

I am so angry because, yes people are that stupid, but it’s the government and the media who have taken advantage of that stupidity to scare people.

Actually I am not sure people are stupid now, they're just beaten down, afraid, the change in policing is extraordinary, it's now unashamedly political, the media collude daily with scientists, the media are as gagged as the NHS employees.

In good news, I have spent the majority of today outside and a large proportion of that in playgrounds. There was flocking and children playing all together. It was lovely.

DS2 starts football on Thursday. I've managed to arrange for him to get training for the first time in over a year since the provider at school stopped. His delivery of boots/ socks and shin pads have arrived amd he's really excited. He's generally settled back to school much better this term than the autumn... shame about DS1 who's doing a bloody good impression of Victor Meldrewcmost of the time...

Not MSM An essay by Adam Wagner the lawyer.
www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/essays/adam-wagner-covid-lockdown-law-democracy-essay

Instead of amending the bill, however, the government decided to impose lockdown through secondary legislation—regulations made by ministerial decree—under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984. Although little known, it had a troubling history: a scene in Russell T Davies’s recent television show It’s a Sin shows a young Aids sufferer in the 1980s being detained under regulations made using the same law. By 2020, the Public Health Act had become a different, and potentially fiercer, beast

Ive said this before but i firmly believe if we had had the internet and social media in 1985/6 when there were rumours that you could catch HIV off a toilet seat or cutlery we would have had lockdowns.

@MercyBooth

Instead of amending the bill, however, the government decided to impose lockdown through secondary legislation—regulations made by ministerial decree—under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984. Although little known, it had a troubling history: a scene in Russell T Davies’s recent television show It’s a Sin shows a young Aids sufferer in the 1980s being detained under regulations made using the same law. By 2020, the Public Health Act had become a different, and potentially fiercer, beast

Ive said this before but i firmly believe if we had had the internet and social media in 1985/6 when there were rumours that you could catch HIV off a toilet seat or cutlery we would have had lockdowns.

Yes Some plum on the other board said the internet had been a blessing in lockdown.

I didn't hang around to see if anyone pointed out we wouldn't have had lockdown without the internet

I don't know if it would have been that drastic for AIDS but I think certain things might have been criminalised. Arguably Clause 28 was trying to do that. And nightclubs might have been closed. Pub curfews.

I can't imagine Thatcher going for lockdown. I don't know, I'm not the right age to know.

I can't imagine Thatcher going for lockdown

Excellent point

I think Boris was genuinely frightened by his own experience with covid and that is why he has changed. And I do have some sympathy for him. I know he probably thinks of himself as a fit young man so to be that ill was probably a shock and a reality check, especially just as his son was about to be born. I have sympathy for people who are frightened, I don't have sympathy for people who use their own fear to control and frighten others however.

@Worldgonecrazy

Wow. The difference between healthy and unhealthy for those who have died within 28 days of testing positive for COVID. (I refuse to say died of/with COVID)

twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1376603953178230787

The figures speak for themselves. Yet we still have people cowering convinced that they face certain death by hugging another person.

I am so angry because, yes people are that stupid, but it’s the government and the media who have taken advantage of that stupidity to scare people.

If you ever try and point this out to anyone over there you just get told "well a broken leg is classed as a pre existing condition so is a 21 year old with a broken leg not worth saving you eugenecist???"

They've gone back to calling us eugenecists again.....

I had a meeting yesterday where someone was talking about how they were quite laissez-faire about covid until someone they knew died of it. I expressed my consol

Condolences and they were like "thank you, it came out of nowhere, they were fit and healthy it was a real shock. They were only 79"

All I could think is why oh why don't people realise that age is a huge factor in your outcome for covid, or flu, or most illnesses. You can be a healthy 79 year old but to be brutally honest, by virtue of your age you are clinically vulnerable?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56556806

Secret filming at one of the biggest UK Covid testing labs has found evidence of potential contamination, discarded tests and pressure to hit targets

I'm quite laissez-faire about cream cakes, the chippie and alcohol despite the fact that they killed my dad in his early 50s. He was "healthy" overlooking the first heary attack at 48 which he bounced back well from, but healthy as innconstitution of an ox and rarely ill. Had middle-age spread as it was then. Obese wasn't a widely used word in the early 90s, but then most people didn't gain significant weight until middle age then.

I've never expected a widespread ban of calorific foods to preserve the life of all.

That's just it, isn't it? I don't think there's a single one of us who wants to stop anyone doing what they need to to feel safe. Me, I want to risk assess for myself.

@Worldgonecrazy ooh an AD wedding, congratulations! Can Indie be a ring bearer? You'll have to tempt her up the aisle with some courgette tho! Lol

Not only do I not want to do others doing what they need to feel safe, I'm happy to adjust to them. If a friend wants to meet up outdoors only and stay 2m apart, I'm happy to do that. What I don't want is for them to stop me meeting a different friend indoors!

I happen to have a friend who's genuinely very vulnerable to Covid. He and his whole family have been shielding all through, and DH and I have helped them practically to do so. But tell me again how I'm a eugenicist. (That's hilarious, I didn't even have the Downs test in pregnancy because it's too close to eugenics for my liking.)

What does ‘fit and healthy’ even mean? My brothers friends all thought he was ‘fit and healthy’ when he died of a massive heart attack. He wasn’t ‘fit and healthy’ as he suffered with high blood pressure but like many men, he didn’t share his medical condition in everyday conversation. I do wonder how many of those ‘fit and healthy’ deaths that people talk about fall into a similar category?

But it is very obvious from those COVID 19 figures that being actually ‘ fit and healthy’ is the best defence we have against COVID, and all those other viruses too.

I just hope that the vaccine doesn't impede my ability to do my virtual half-marathon over the Easter weekend...

There was a local runner who died in his sleep at 37 from an undiagnosed heart condition. He came second in one of the local half-marathons I did a couple of years earlier.

The FA now screens for heart issues due to it being the main cause of death in professional players. It probably would be worth considering screening for these kinds of invisible conditions where treatment such as pace makers can help.

When DH turned 40, he got a well-man check. First time he'd been to the surgery in years and was in great condition. Not sure whether they would still normally do them. We have got a blood pressure gadget so I know that's good. The only thing I don't really know is my cholesterol and we do tend to run disproportionately high in my family compared to lifestyle. Otherwise, I'm.about as fit and healthy as you can reasonably assume yourself to be.

@Worldgonecrazy

What does ‘fit and healthy’ even mean? My brothers friends all thought he was ‘fit and healthy’ when he died of a massive heart attack. He wasn’t ‘fit and healthy’ as he suffered with high blood pressure but like many men, he didn’t share his medical condition in everyday conversation. I do wonder how many of those ‘fit and healthy’ deaths that people talk about fall into a similar category?

But it is very obvious from those COVID 19 figures that being actually ‘ fit and healthy’ is the best defence we have against COVID, and all those other viruses too.

I don't know. Bar weight - and I fluctuate a lot - most people think I'm fit and healthy but I have a few chronic conditions and have always counted as CV.

I hate the way it's considered a big deal now though.

It's something I've always been interested in, but that's not surprising considering my background. No one is immortal, and life can throw curveballs, but doing what I can to be fit and healthy (while still enjoying life, I'm no carb-phobic zealot) just tweaks a few percent of odds of longer life, and more importantly an enjoyable life in my favour.

The reality is that for umpteen reasons, genetic, random, lifestyle, the majority of the adult population isn't that healthy. We're less likely to die in childbirth/ accidents/ random illness before all the other stuff catches up with us. Read classic literature and people were described as "sickly" probably often due to things like autoimmune conditions that we still don't know enough about. I hope that the interest in Long Covid does result in improved understanding of a broader range of chronic conditions.