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Harry and Meghan are expecting their second child

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Standrewsschool · 14/02/2021 19:43

Wishing them all the best

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Peaseblossom22 · 24/02/2021 17:43

He can help trading off it though.

Roussette · 24/02/2021 17:48

He can earn a living too which is what people on these threads have been calling for, forever.

Whatever he did would be called 'trading off it'.

Chocolo · 24/02/2021 17:48

Harry can't help the family he was born into.

He could stop using the title they gave him though.

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PretendSpeedGun · 24/02/2021 17:49

@Roussette no you are right he can't. Be if you are going to use the status you got through that family to sign multi-million dollar deals that you are personally being enriched by (multi million mansions, hugely expensive lifestyle) don't try and pull the wool over anyone's eyes by pretending you live a life of duty of service. You are not, you are milking your status and the access that provides to real power and riches.

You are no more a humanitarian than a banker who makes generous donations to select charities (which have great connections) and may show up on occasion to speak at one of their charitable events.

Coronateachingagain · 24/02/2021 17:50

@PretendSpeedGun

The issue as I see it is that they are quite clearly trying to replicate the business model of the likes of the Obamas and Bill Gates. Set up a lucrative 'Foundation' that both is profit making but also philanthropic.

The difficulty is that the Obamas and Bill Gates achieved this successful business model, following entirely self made careers. They put in the hard yards, achieved success on their own terms.

The Sussex's have the global standing and name recognition that they have because they were Royal. Through inherited wealth and privilege.

People can argue Meghan was a moderately successful actress, but had she not married into Royalty - she would not be in the position to set up a foundation and secure deals with the likes of Netflix and Spotify.

The bedrock of their 'success' is that they are Royal. Yet we are all supposed to play along with this pretence that their goal is to live a life of selfless service. It doesn't ring true. Especially when this message is delivered wearing Oscar de la Renta on the couch of a multi million dollar mansion in LA.

I would have more respect if they dropped this pretence of duty and service and just got on with making the cold hard cash.

Agree with this. Better to drop the pretence and move on. But no. The foundation is part of the Marketing and PR department. So the honorary titles and charity links (plus the benefit of the boondoggles to go back home) helped a lot but now are all gone, the Palace can see through and knows better. Super clear. It is fine to live a multi million life style but not in the name of charging a fortune (for me at least) to build a space to publicly "share vulnerabilities". eeekk like someone said, sounds like a chat show packaged into commercial streaming.

I would rather Charles pay for the lifestyle so they can go home and enjoy. Right now their streaming advances are just a muddle of twaddle. Smile Grin

Cokie3 · 24/02/2021 17:56

@LetMeBubble

I just realised when coming back to this thread that I spent a lot of time defending them on here but haven’t even heard their speech and I feel like it’s not something I’m keen on doing either.. it’s weird that most of their haters are following them so attentively, while I’m the one accused of being a fan girl !

I genuinely have no interest in them as people or the royal family for that matter.. it’s nice to hear some good news on life events like babies being made and weddings. A little bit of fairytale fun. But any deeper than that, it’s just really not interesting.

What for? Do I feel like they have a sense of obligation to uphold the tradition of this country for my sake? Hmm how old fashioned.

But I believe every human being needs to be treated with decency.

It is also a bit amusing to watch and learn how modernity (aka Harry and Meghan) clashes with tradition (aka royal family), and how it can be exploited by those looking for gossip (aka media).

Modernity should win over tradition where it is morally correct. Tradition should win over modernity where it’s morally correct.

What happens if the moral fabric for both is totally different though?? And they never end up seeing eye to eye?

And what happens when external people are looking to escalate those conflicts.. in order to exploit it and gain from it some of the attention??

I’m taking notes so i can use those events as examples for my kids about philosophy of life !

Popcorn anyone ?

@LetMeBubble I felt depressed at the ignorance and hatred and desperate reaching by those who are desperate to throw shade on Harry and Meghan, and couldn't be bothered replying further to those nutters. However your post spoke for me in so many ways. I am in favour of a Republic. I've never really been a big fan of the Royal family. To be honest, I couldn't care less about any of them (I'm Australian so the thought of someone on the opposite side of the planet being our Head Of State particularly pisses me off). I never even gave Harry a second thought until a year or so ago.

However, I find myself defending Harry, and Meghan in particular because I think there is truly something really evil in the way people are bullying her. I think we've all heard of people suiciding due to bullying and abuse online. Royal people and famous people still eat, urinate, shit. They have feelings. And no matter how much they are told to ignore things, when so many in the media and online are attacking you for absolutely fuck all reason (and neither of them have roasted cats in public or sold babies to the devil), it hurts. People, are.....PEOPLE. Harry and Meghan are still human beings. Whether it be Caroline Flack, or Charlotte Dawson (Australian/New Zealand media celebrity who committed suicide on 22nd February 2014 due to twitter trolls telling her to kill herself after learning she had suffered depression for years), these people are human beings with the same range of emotions and background issues we all have.

I watched Harry and Megan's wedding, but that was it. I never really followed them, and don't know the ins and outs of their work/charity setups - unlike their haters. I'd never really paid any attention to them, nor am I a fan. If they came to Australia, I couldn't truly be arsed to see them.

I am not a fan of them. However, I hate bullying, racism or any media abuse and pile on. People who have read my posts in this thread would think I am a fan of them. Not so. I couldn't have given a rats.....until I saw the bullying in the media and on here, and I feel in a way forced to defend them. People are people, no matter their fame or lack of, and do take to heart what they read and hear about them. So many people suicide do to online bullying. We had the #BeKind movement yet people have forgotten. Or, they think that Meghan is different and somehow 'deserves it'. These people who abuse and bully Meghan have to live with themselves. I think they must be very miserable, desperately unhappy people. I think living in their skin is punishment enough for them.

Onatinyboat · 24/02/2021 17:57

@Peaseblossom22

He can help trading off it though.
How exactly? It's who he is Confused
HeadNorth · 24/02/2021 17:58

'Honestly H&M are so annoying, I wish they'd go away'

Waaah - where did they go? Why did they leave- so disrespectful!

'Why should we support them, they should earn their own money'

Waah - no - not like that!

Honestly - some posters would have a go if they had found the cure for covid. This thread was started to congratulate them on another child after miscarriage. Does it rile some people so much to see them happy?

Roussette · 24/02/2021 17:58

Pretend

So he writes a book... that's trading off his name
He joins a Company in some senior position ... trading off his name
He starts a Company with green credentials... trading off his name
He gives an interview ... trading off his name

Every single thing he does will be trading off his name according to some.

Roussette · 24/02/2021 18:00

Does it rile some people so much to see them happy?

Yes. The game plan for some posters was that they would've split up by now.

Dammit, they're happy and having another baby!

PretendSpeedGun · 24/02/2021 18:05

And where all these unheard voices we are told will have a safe space to share. So far have heard from James Corden, and I sure we have all heard more than enough from him. Elton John, must be one of the most voices ever heard if we include his singing. Deepak Chopra, hardly undiscovered. Maybe safe space means they won't get asked any challenging questions (or even probably any understandable questions) and they also don't have a comments section for people to give their true thoughts. Matt Haig - lovely guy - times and amazon best selling author. I think he has managed to reach a few people in his time with Harry and Meghan assistance.

Onatinyboat · 24/02/2021 18:07

I agree with you Cokie3. There have been some shameful threads on MN on this subject, particularly the ones where anyone who disagreed was called a 'SCOLD' (always in capitals), which has horrific misogynistic connotations if you know anything about history.

I'm a republican, but like you, dislike the direction these threads take, which always end up with deletions and warnings from MNHQ.

stairway · 24/02/2021 18:16

I don’t feel particularly sorry for them, they have chosen the path of maximum attention in order to launch themselves and increase their riches. They can’t expect to be talked about with no criticism or negativity. I suspect any controversy will launch them further. I saw a baby girl dying on the news last night in Yemen. These are the people I feel sorry about, not obscenely rich attention seekers. They are surrounded by people fawning and praising them constantly.

Roussette · 24/02/2021 18:32

I am not a fan of them. However, I hate bullying, racism or any media abuse and pile on. People who have read my posts in this thread would think I am a fan of them. Not so. I couldn't have given a rats.....until I saw the bullying in the media and on here, and I feel in a way forced to defend them

And that is exactly how I feel too.
Don't like them, don't dislike them

I do however hate bullying and unfairness and they have been subjected to that by the bucketful
I have read some truly shocking things here and elsewhere said about them. Honestly stuff I could not repeat without feeling tainted. They have become this object of hate to hang your hat on if you are in the mood for having a poke at someone. Then it turns in to a habit you can't stop.

Oldbutstillgotit · 24/02/2021 18:33

@ Onatinyboat

What is a SCOLD ? I have never read or heard it .

Chocolo · 24/02/2021 18:40

@Roussette why do you comment on every thread there is about them?

Are you what they call a super fan?

It’s something I’ve noticed lately and it’s left me curious.

stairway · 24/02/2021 18:40

I don’t see why they need defending though, wouldn’t it be easier to accept not everyone likes them or what they do and it’s ok to discuss this.

Coronateachingagain · 24/02/2021 18:44

[quote PretendSpeedGun]@Roussette no you are right he can't. Be if you are going to use the status you got through that family to sign multi-million dollar deals that you are personally being enriched by (multi million mansions, hugely expensive lifestyle) don't try and pull the wool over anyone's eyes by pretending you live a life of duty of service. You are not, you are milking your status and the access that provides to real power and riches.

You are no more a humanitarian than a banker who makes generous donations to select charities (which have great connections) and may show up on occasion to speak at one of their charitable events.[/quote]
This.

Roussette · 24/02/2021 18:46

I have just explained why. I hate bullying and unfairness.

If posters like me, of which there are many, did not refute or disagree with some of the vile stuff written, it would be an unfair cesspit of hate.

I said above I don't like them or dislike them. Why would you then ask if I am a super fan? Strange.

I think they are a pair of twats at times, I think they handle some things wrong, but they don't deserve all the hate. Hope that answers your questions.

Roussette · 24/02/2021 18:48

I don’t see why they need defending though, wouldn’t it be easier to accept not everyone likes them or what they do and it’s ok to discuss this

Why do you need to write about them then?

It's not discussing.
If only it were.
It's pulling apart two human beings in the most vile way imaginable. If it was just discussing, that would be fine, but the lies, assumptions, and character assassinations that have gone on in the past means it goes way way past 'discussion'

Chocolo · 24/02/2021 18:50

It just seems a bit intense to post on every single thread that appears.

Do you do the same for every celebrity thread with a negative comment on it?

stairway · 24/02/2021 18:52

Roussette you seem to dislike all criticism as well though, any comment which isn’t positive you jump on. Rich people in the public eye do get a lot of unkind things said about them. however they are also surrounded by adorers and by people paid to big them up. They are not suffering in front of a laptop saying why are the mummies on Mumsnet being so unkind.

Roussette · 24/02/2021 18:54

There are many posters who post on every thread. In answer to your second q, chocolo, if I'm online and think it's unfair, yes.

stairway agree they won't be reading this.

Mockolate · 24/02/2021 18:55

Why do people always pull out the "you're always on here" "bit intense" type lines to those who disagree with them, but seemingly have no problem with people who post day in, day out, but agree?!
Funny that, innit
Exactly the same on the obsessive IG posts on here.

Roussette · 24/02/2021 18:57

mockolate I have been called a stan, a fangirl, a paid shill and far far worse

I'm used to it.

In response to the original post, I am pleased for them they are having a second child.

Smile