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Toxic work environment for Buffy actors

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Teardrop2021 · 11/02/2021 09:32

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/buffy-angel-cordelia-charisma-carpenter-joss-whedon. Another Hollywood producer using his role to be an abusive prick. When will still stop and why did it take someone else to speak out for others to follow.

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bluebluezoo · 16/02/2021 21:49

Nathan fillion not made a statement either. He always said he’d drop everything to work for JW, anytime.

However while it is really great that people are showing support publicly, I don’t judge those who don’t. Abuse of this kind is very complicated, and one person may have a great experience while another has an utterly shit one, and that can be part of the abuse process. It can be very scary speaking out against someone like this, because often you are conditioned into wanting their approval and love. That and careers and reputations can be ruined. Many are also led to believe their success is down to that person- and if they go against them they might as well just quit...

Helocariad · 17/02/2021 11:31

Abuse of this kind is very complicated, and one person may have a great experience while another has an utterly shit one, and that can be part of the abuse process. It can be very scary speaking out against someone like this, because often you are conditioned into wanting their approval and love. That and careers and reputations can be ruined. Many are also led to believe their success is down to that person- and if they go against them they might as well just quit...

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Abusers tend to be very manipulative so unless & until you're the one being targeted the extend of the abuse can go unnoticed or isn't understood. Which results in secondary abuse for the victim as when they try to speak out people don't want to know.

Re ASH as the 'nice guy'. I don't know about his case but from experience of toxic work environments I've noticed it's often 'nice' people who end up being blind to abuse and being enlisted as enablers of the abuser, as they give the abuser credibility. 'Surely, mr [nice guy] wouldn't hang out with [abuser boss] if he really was that bad' etc.

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Binglebong · 17/02/2021 22:25

It can be very hard to put together the knowledge of someone you know with someone who abused if you've never seen it. So often we here the partner of a criminal in disbelief at their crimes because they never see that side. With every person we are with we show a slightly different version of ourselves - people like this appear to have massively different versions and if you have only seen the nice it is hard to accept the other.

It must feel a massive betrayal to find out the fun bloke you know is actually someone awful - you must feel lied to.

Helocariad · 18/02/2021 15:29

@Binglebong maybe in some cases...though in the case of the toxic environment I worked in most people did know, as there was something definitely 'off' about the toxic boss. Colleagues would say things like 'he makes my skin crawl' etc yet it was just accepted that that's the way a boss was allowed to behave and if you fell out of favour people would quietly sympathise but never speak out.
And the 'nice' men minimised the behaviour bc they were more concerned about their own image and ambitions than about the welfare of female staff.

Reading the Nicholas B article there seems to be genuine fear of speaking out. You wonder what JW holds over him?

Binglebong · 18/02/2021 16:11

I think it depends on the individual circumstances, in some instances you wouldn't make the comment to one of his favoured in case it gets back to him. I've known places where there is an absolute divide between favoured and unfavoured and the favoured would have no idea (guess which I was on!) Victims are often chosen because they are unlikely to be able to speak out and in an industry like acting you really don't want to get a reputation for being hard to work with so are unlikely to say anything. So I can see it creeping largely under the radar, you might know someone is a bit annoying but not how bad it is.

I think I need to read NB's article again.

NotYourReindeer · 19/02/2021 05:26

Reading the Nicholas B article there seems to be genuine fear of speaking out. You wonder what JW holds over him

NB has a history of domestic abuse and i think he is having to watch what he says because he knows he could do more harm than good or have fingers pointed back at him.

Helocariad · 19/02/2021 09:23

I've known places where there is an absolute divide between favoured and unfavoured and the favoured would have no idea (guess which I was on!) Victims are often chosen because they are unlikely to be able to speak out

That was my experience too @Binglebong (in academia, not acting industry) . Victims were chosen because they were vulnerable in some way and therefore less likely to be believed- people on temp contracts who needed a contract renewal, people depending on work visa, someone with an underlying health condition who was then branded as 'not up to the job' and 'over-emotional'...

And true, if you're favoured you may think the boss is a bit odd at times but not too bad (I thought this initially until I ended up in the unfavoured camp), and all those colleagues who go off sick with stress/ leave/ look unhappy and demoralised just don't have what it takes.

But I still think there's a lot of weird denial going on, where people essentially know something isn't right but they normalise and enable the abusive behaviour to further their own careers . I think we need to move away from seeing those who do nothing as 'nice but blind and maybe a tad non-confrontational'. What they do is enabling the abuser's behaviour- they are bystanders and bear some responsibility imo.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 19/02/2021 17:57

As John Stuart Mill said, “Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”

TheBuffster · 19/02/2021 18:09

Just finished rewatching the series 5 finale and remembered this little anecdote from SMG.

In Nightmares, series 1, SMG had trouble filming the coffin scene, as she is claustrophobic so Joss promised she would not have to do it again.
He then made her do it again in series 6.

See it in a new light now, although always thought it was arse ish.

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